Reforged AF - Blocked on Step 1?

[Mordain]

Isn't it obvious by now we're just looking at a sliding scale of what to interpret as "meaningful tasks"? Crevox, you aren't going to convince the people you're arguing with because they don't agree with your point of view (that it is a waste of time). Incidentally, I suspect SE does not agree with you either. Perhaps they want players to experience the full depth of the story of the world they've created? I know if I'd written all this material I'd be frustrated that people just wanted to sidestep it.

But that's me, and that's what I would feel like. You are not me, and you don't agree. I'm fine that you don't agree, but - at least so far as forum-goers are concerned - you seem to be in the minority.

People play games for all kinds of reasons, and MMOs are special in that they appeal to many aspects of what we players enjoy in games. I don't like crafting. Some people don't care about story. Still others hate forced party mechanics. And for each of those, there are people on the other side who love that stuff. FFXI was always distinct from other MMOs - even when it came out - for having a very special focus on rich story content. There are many reasons to play FFXI, but that element was part of (and clearly remains part of) it's niche. It's hardly strange that the majority of players remaining in the game are OK with being forced to play through story, and are equally OK with forcing new players to see how awesome the story is.

For you, that makes most of us perhaps seem obnoxious. I won't apologize. You can go on arguing your point. I think we all get it. I just think you're going to keep frustrating yourself, but whatever floats your boat, as they say….

[Vinedrai]

Why do people keep saying this? Do you honestly think that doing CoP is difficult in any way? It's not. There is no "reward" in completing this, there is no sense of achievement, there is no accomplishment. It's a gigantic series of fetch quests, and it's a gigantic waste of time. The story is great, but like I said, experiencing it in game just makes it take forever.

Nobody says I want everything for free. I already earned my AF items to trade in, but I can't. I WANT to do AA fights, but again, I can't, because I haven't finished Zilart. I want to do a LOT of things, but I can't because I have not finished all of these stupid fetch quests. I can't even get a party because I don't have Alexander.

Stop acting like completing CoP is actually something that is difficult and is something I need to complete to "earn" things. It's not. I shouldn't have to do this.

And yes, obviously I am completing it, because I don't have a choice.

Do you think that if you start another MMO now, it will just let you get a high-end item without some sort of progress? What if they didn't add limbus items to the campaign? You are just complaining that you already have the items but can't upgrade your AF but you aren't supposed to have some of those items in the first place. Just by giving you limbus items for free, SE has even saved you many days of limbus farming. In fact, it could possibly take longer than finishing CoP XD

What the heck is wrong with this community? It's people like you that stop new people from playing this game.

New people should have the patience and enthusiasm to enjoy the core game. You just keep repeating the same complaints with different words and it almost feels like you are trolling (not saying I think so) and that is one of the reasons that stops old people from standing official forums so I guess we are 1-1? But seriously, no one here is telling you to stop playing, we are actually telling you to play. What you want to do is like skipping through a movie or a book because you feel it is boring and only watching the conclusion.

[Demonjustin]

Incorrect, You can't obtain a relic anything without first doing Dynamis to obtain the base.

This depends on the piece of gear, look at Login Campaigns, they have supplied us with the ability to get any piece of Xar or Beau piece of gear for some time now, and continue to do so, this is what I was refering to, my new character which is account is based on literally has not stepped foot in Dynamis, completed rank 3, or even hit level 50, yet on a whim I have access to the Relic Body & Head for RDM which are by far the most important pieces of that entire set, and in reality, the only two pieces that have not been replaced for the job as of yet. THF can do the same with the TH hands and other jobs have a similar situation but I care not to look into each piece, while I admit every piece can not be obtained without Dynamis, a few can.

It's an Insult to the people that made this game the way some of the people in this post complain about playing the game. Regardless of how it is "Now", the prerequisites are to get access to something... People worked hard on that previous content, just that same as they did for the newer content... You want to fight the Ark Angels Hard Mode, then face them in the story first.... You want to summon Alexander, then fight him as a Boss... It's not a hard concept. You shouldn't gain something for nothing, even they're fetch quest and beat 'em ups, just do them... Travel is UNGODLY easy... Hell, you can warp to the Throne Room... You don't even have to walk to the Shadow Lord but once... You can warp to the Freakin' Ark Angels, you can warp to Nashmau, warp to Raboa, warp to the burning circles, warp to the past, warp to outpost, warp to just about anywhere...

This player base dwindles in time as all games do, which means we need more players to take their place. Now I am all for reasonable requirements, I personally have no problem whatsoever with Alex, Odin, Dynamis, Limbus, or any other piece of content in this game having its requirements to do it so long as its reasonable and makes sense. What I am talking about being stupid here, is the fact that you need Sea access, that it, access for an event completely unrelated to any item required for AF enhancements to RF, in order to upgrade your AF gear.

Do you think that if you start another MMO now, it will just let you get a high-end item without some sort of progress? What if they didn't add limbus items to the campaign? You are just complaining that you already have the items but can't upgrade your AF but you aren't supposed to have some of those items in the first place. Just by giving you limbus items for free, SE has even saved you many days of limbus farming. In fact, it could possibly take longer than finishing CoP XD

Since when did RF upgrades have anything to do with Limbus? Show me 1 item that requires Limbus to obtain that is used in the process of upgrading a normal piece of AF into RF gear.

New people should have the patience and enthusiasm to enjoy the core game. You just keep repeating the same complaints with different words and it almost feels like you are trolling (not saying I think so) and that is one of the reasons that stops old people from standing official forums so I guess we are 1-1? But seriously, no one here is telling you to stop playing, we are actually telling you to play. What you want to do is like skipping through a movie or a book because you feel it is boring and only watching the conclusion.

People play a game to have fun, everyone's sense of fun is different, if you find fun in going through hours upon hours or even days upon days of quests to get to basic gear that you had the items ready for, but lacked a simple quest being finished before the NPC would allow you to turn it in, then awesome, but most do not. I have quite a few friends I have tried to get into this game before that I know on Xbox and otherwise, I have had a 0% success rate with getting people into it due to the fact that every single one who got the game has played a month, told me its taking to long to get to a point of understanding what they are doing/need to do in the game to progress and the fact that everything is so drawn out to get to a decent point that they just can not bother to spend that much time starting a game.

Most games nowadays let you jump into the game and play it with others after a short period of time, this game, forces you to do old content that is easy by any stretch of the imagination and literally feels like a waste of time, its boring to most, and you have no choice but to do it in order to get to the point in the game where you can actually play with others, even then, things still suck because until you figure out how to gear and play in specific events you will be looked down upon and called gimp by everyone around you. The learning curve in this game sucks and the amount you need to do before you can even start to really play it and feel welcome in the game normally is absurd. They have helped to fix some of these things through systems such as Trust which help get people into the game faster, but if you truly think that people should be patient and enthused about playing a game and trying to get into it after the 10+ hours it takes to install and update on top of the days it will take you to get to a point of playing with others in a decent way, I think you're out of your mind.

I seriously can not for the life of me understand why such a simple improvement that makes sense is being so heavily opposed by people when the original complaint was about a requirement that doesn't even make sense!

[Ravenmore]

This depends on the piece of gear, look at Login Campaigns, they have supplied us with the ability to get any piece of Xar or Beau piece of gear for some time now, and continue to do so, this is what I was refering to, my new character which is account is based on literally has not stepped foot in Dynamis, completed rank 3, or even hit level 50, yet on a whim I have access to the Relic Body & Head for RDM which are by far the most important pieces of that entire set, and in reality, the only two pieces that have not been replaced for the job as of yet. THF can do the same with the TH hands and other jobs have a similar situation but I care not to look into each piece, while I admit every piece can not be obtained without Dynamis, a few can.

This player base dwindles in time as all games do, which means we need more players to take their place. Now I am all for reasonable requirements, I personally have no problem whatsoever with Alex, Odin, Dynamis, Limbus, or any other piece of content in this game having its requirements to do it so long as its reasonable and makes sense. What I am talking about being stupid here, is the fact that you need Sea access, that it, access for an event completely unrelated to any item required for AF enhancements to RF, in order to upgrade your AF gear.

Since when did RF upgrades have anything to do with Limbus? Show me 1 item that requires Limbus to obtain that is used in the process of upgrading a normal piece of AF into RF gear.

People play a game to have fun, everyone's sense of fun is different, if you find fun in going through hours upon hours or even days upon days of quests to get to basic gear that you had the items ready for, but lacked a simple quest being finished before the NPC would allow you to turn it in, then awesome, but most do not. I have quite a few friends I have tried to get into this game before that I know on Xbox and otherwise, I have had a 0% success rate with getting people into it due to the fact that every single one who got the game has played a month, told me its taking to long to get to a point of understanding what they are doing/need to do in the game to progress and the fact that everything is so drawn out to get to a decent point that they just can not bother to spend that much time starting a game.

Most games nowadays let you jump into the game and play it with others after a short period of time, this game, forces you to do old content that is easy by any stretch of the imagination and literally feels like a waste of time, its boring to most, and you have no choice but to do it in order to get to the point in the game where you can actually play with others, even then, things still suck because until you figure out how to gear and play in specific events you will be looked down upon and called gimp by everyone around you. The learning curve in this game sucks and the amount you need to do before you can even start to really play it and feel welcome in the game normally is absurd. They have helped to fix some of these things through systems such as Trust which help get people into the game faster, but if you truly think that people should be patient and enthused about playing a game and trying to get into it after the 10+ hours it takes to install and update on top of the days it will take you to get to a point of playing with others in a decent way, I think you're out of your mind.

I seriously can not for the life of me understand why such a simple improvement that makes sense is being so heavily opposed by people when the original complaint was about a requirement that doesn't even make sense!

They have been adding things left and right for people to skip past much of the grind. Hell reforge gear is not any where near be all end all and burning though a little grind to get to it is not that bad. In fact SE has done away with much of the content being locked behind mission progression. All the endgame content in SoA is opened either right from the start or after a few simple steps. Also when they do try that people throw all kinds of fits that they give in and re add much of the grind. I think FFXI is the most forgiving learning curve of them all right now. It is so simple and easy to follow it's not even funny.

[Zeargi]

I think FFXI is the most forgiving learning curve of them all right now. It is so simple and easy to follow it's not even funny.

You obviously haven't played FFXIV. :B

[detlef]

This depends on the piece of gear, look at Login Campaigns, they have supplied us with the ability to get any piece of Xar or Beau piece of gear for some time now, and continue to do so, this is what I was refering to, my new character which is account is based on literally has not stepped foot in Dynamis, completed rank 3, or even hit level 50, yet on a whim I have access to the Relic Body & Head for RDM which are by far the most important pieces of that entire set, and in reality, the only two pieces that have not been replaced for the job as of yet. THF can do the same with the TH hands and other jobs have a similar situation but I care not to look into each piece, while I admit every piece can not be obtained without Dynamis, a few can.

You can't count anything from login campaigns because they will not always be available. The intended method of obtainment is still by doing Dynamis. Just because SE is giving us free Apollyon and Temenos pieces doesn't mean that you should be able to upgrade your AF to +1 without completing enough missions to access Limbus.

[Demonjustin]

You can't count anything from login campaigns because they will not always be available. The intended method of obtainment is still by doing Dynamis. Just because SE is giving us free Apollyon and Temenos pieces doesn't mean that you should be able to upgrade your AF to +1 without completing enough missions to access Limbus.

I don't care about AF+1 and it was never the subject of this discution so far as I know, from the start I have only talked about RF, not AF+1, the Reforged Gear, level 109 Gear, something that has 0 relation to Limbus at all.

[Olor]

Why do people keep saying this? Do you honestly think that doing CoP is difficult in any way? It's not. There is no "reward" in completing this, there is no sense of achievement, there is no accomplishment. It's a gigantic series of fetch quests, and it's a gigantic waste of time. The story is great, but like I said, experiencing it in game just makes it take forever.

Nobody says I want everything for free. I already earned my AF items to trade in, but I can't. I WANT to do AA fights, but again, I can't, because I haven't finished Zilart. I want to do a LOT of things, but I can't because I have not finished all of these stupid fetch quests. I can't even get a party because I don't have Alexander.

Stop acting like completing CoP is actually something that is difficult and is something I need to complete to "earn" things. It's not. I shouldn't have to do this.

And yes, obviously I am completing it, because I don't have a choice.

What the heck is wrong with this community? It's people like you that stop new people from playing this game.

Yeah. It's insane. People want you to do 10 years of content to play with people today. That's just not sane. You're not asking for a Raja ring - you're asking to be able to claim the rewards of the MODERN content you completed. If you wanted a Raja ring without completing COP people would have a point, but declaring someone is lazy because they don't want to do quests that were 100% outdated 5 years ago in order to participate in modern content? That's nuts.

[Ravenmore]

After reading it carefully I would have to agree with you on this, I mean it would make sense that since the Relics didn't require CoP to upgrade to +2, why do people have to have it to upgrade their original artifact armor? I can understand maybe if the artifact was at +1, but then again the base artifact shouldn't have required it. Yeah CoP is a ton easier than it was in the past, but there's a lot of running involved in this expansion just to be able to access one feature that isn't canonically tied to the expansion itself, it's just offered through the same NPC which could have been handled better.




Really Karah, why do you act like this? Did mom and dad not love you enough or something?

Though to really finish relic +2 you had to go into dyna and gain exp which you had to be past the shadow lord fight to even go in. If you were a mnk or drg you had to augment some of it. So there was a mission requirement on it as well.