Reforged AF - Blocked on Step 1?

[Ravenmore]

After reading it carefully I would have to agree with you on this, I mean it would make sense that since the Relics didn't require CoP to upgrade to +2, why do people have to have it to upgrade their original artifact armor? I can understand maybe if the artifact was at +1, but then again the base artifact shouldn't have required it. Yeah CoP is a ton easier than it was in the past, but there's a lot of running involved in this expansion just to be able to access one feature that isn't canonically tied to the expansion itself, it's just offered through the same NPC which could have been handled better.




Really Karah, why do you act like this? Did mom and dad not love you enough or something?

Though to really finish relic +2 you had to go into dyna and gain exp which you had to be past the shadow lord fight to even go in. If you were a mnk or drg you had to augment some of it. So there was a mission requirement on it as well.

[Anjou]

Well to get the relic armor you had to have access to dynamis, then farm in dynamis to get the Forgotten items.

To get the items yes I say that requirement is legitimate, because you can't upgrade something you don't have, whereas with CoP you didn't need the expansion to obtain the artifact armor (Unless you were DRG, SAM, NIN, etc)

[Lithera]

AF upgrading of any kind has always been tied to CoP ever since they came out with limbus the reason why +1ing relic does not is because of where relic comes from which is dynamics which is part of zilart. It would be silly to expect people to need something that doesn't come from there. There are new people who seriously don't care about story and just the end of the line and so don't even do any old content at all unless it helps get them to the end quicker. There are also a lot of people who dont even go and get their jobs af because why should you when you can just skip it? Specially when they're the player who doesn't want to take time to actually skill up while they level instead of at the end again. These people who just want to go from 30-99 via burned just want the best stuff with the least work. Some might say they are now being punished because holy crap I now have to go back and actually do something I now only care about because I want my stuuff. Damn you SE for making me go and do something I probably should have done before now so I wouldn't be in this situation in the 1st place.

Oh and the OP states after a reply that he is a RETURNING player who had done some pre cap lifting of CoP and not a completely new person. It was someone else further down that said they were new and had just gotten to 99 ten days from that post. In which the crying started about being made to go and do old content because he needed this shiney right now and couldn't be happy with easier things to get that would have allowed them to enjoy current content.

[Lithera]

Well to get the relic armor you had to have access to dynamis, then farm in dynamis to get the Forgotten items.

To get the items yes I say that requirement is legitimate, because you can't upgrade something you don't have, whereas with CoP you didn't need the expansion to obtain the artifact armor (Unless you were DRG, SAM, NIN, etc)

Drg nin and sam were not CoP jobs no jobs came with CoP. Those jobs were zilart along with smn.

[Demonjustin]

Anyone who can't beat CoP the first week

Its not about being unable to, its about not needing to, it's a pointless time sink and not everyone has the time to go waste away doing these quests for a few days just so they can get some armor they already have everything for, but just can not turn in, it's nothing to do with difficulty or anything of the sort. Besides that, if you think kicking off players and stopping new players would do anything but harm the game, your lack of sense is astounding.

It's funny that when they come up with an idea that is useful in end game people still cry.

It was poorly done. The best way they can incentivise you to do those expansions which lead to events such as Sky, Limbus, or Salvage, is to simply redo the events as they did at 99, I have no doubt in my mind that making those events relevant again helped to motivate some people to get out there and unlock those pieces of content so that they could participate. Making a point of progression required in order to do something almost completely unrelated to it is not incentivisation but rather just putting a roadblock in people's path in order to make them do something they may not have otherwise.

AF upgrading of any kind has always been tied to CoP ever since they came out with limbus the reason why +1ing relic does not is because of where relic comes from which is dynamics which is part of zilart. It would be silly to expect people to need something that doesn't come from there.

Relic Armor originates in Dynamis, it is +1'd via the same NPC as AF which requires Sea/Limbus access, as you said, silly, and then they require more stuff from Dynamis for +2, +1 may be skipped, CoP need not be touched. AF for any job in the game has no relation to CoP, in fact, its the only expansion which failed to produce a new job, and thus, had no AF, it did however have the upgrade to +1, now while no AF originates in CoP, just like Relic did not, AF is tied to a restriction of Sea/Limbus access for both +1 and +2 upgrades, again just as you put it, it is silly.

[Lithera]

Relic Armor originates in Dynamis, it is +1'd via the same NPC as AF which requires Sea/Limbus access, as you said, silly, and then they require more stuff from Dynamis for +2, +1 may be skipped, CoP need not be touched. AF for any job in the game has no relation to CoP, in fact, its the only expansion which failed to produce a new job, and thus, had no AF, it did however have the upgrade to +1, now while no AF originates in CoP, just like Relic did not, AF is tied to a restriction of Sea/Limbus access for both +1 and +2 upgrades, again just as you put it, it is silly.

Yes but I'm sure SE wanted something else than the two sets of gear you could get from beating omega and ultima. So that people who didn't get something from those fights had something else to look forward to get while they waited till it was their turn to lot on an item if the rng was being nice that day. Please tell me what other gear would you think of to go with other than AF to be used or rewarded with. If one took away the upgrading of AF and the items that were needed to do so besides the abcs there would be no reason for some people to go to limbus runs if you were only needing to get some temp key items to fight the boss you wanted an item from. People would loose interest and quit shells once they had their stuff and limbus might have died an even quicker death.

I meant it would be silly for relic upgrade to need CoP. Sure they could have made it use a different npc but they didn't so whining about that part now is moot. They chose to tie AF upgrades to limbus and thus sea access and thus having to do CoP so that there would be something else to do limbus for. The neo limbus things are now lol with the fact they probably don't out do an ilv 115 piece along with the salvage so yeah bad SE for doing what they have done with all other older content once abyssea came out and the cap was now stupid high and a lot of the older gear became worthless. So now that they are trying to make an old set of gear be wanted in the current content they are in a way trying to not only learn from the past but try n fix it. Not my fault there are so many lazy people playing the game these days who just want to rush to the top and not stop once in a while and take in the view.

[detlef]

Relic Armor originates in Dynamis, it is +1'd via the same NPC as AF which requires Sea/Limbus access, as you said, silly, and then they require more stuff from Dynamis for +2, +1 may be skipped, CoP need not be touched. AF for any job in the game has no relation to CoP, in fact, its the only expansion which failed to produce a new job, and thus, had no AF, it did however have the upgrade to +1, now while no AF originates in CoP, just like Relic did not, AF is tied to a restriction of Sea/Limbus access for both +1 and +2 upgrades, again just as you put it, it is silly.

In order to complete relic gear, you need to gain experience in Dynamis. Therefore, these pieces are tied to Dynamis progress and, in turn, nation mission progress. It's not CoP but it's still mission progress. You can argue that you can upgrade to +2 without setting foot in dynamis, but this requires Bonanza or Login and therefore doesn't count.

[Karah]

Justin, I don't even need to read your reply after the first sentence, to even pretend that the reward from CoP isn't worth the effort to finish it, shows you have no right to even be playing whatsoever.

[Olor]

Time. Consuming. None of this is a challenge. I am not "earning" anything. I am running from place to place doing fetch quests. Like I said, I wanted to see the story, and I planned to do it at some point, but I am required to do it now for gear irrelevant to the level of the content. The story is fantastic, but it comes in bits and pieces between the monotony.

The greater majority of my game time has now been running from point A from point B to talk to NPC or beat up too weak to be worth while...

It's like a gigantic list labeled "Before you can start playing and enjoying the game, first complete this gigantic checklist of fetchquests:"

Yeah, it really sucks. It is just 100 per cent NOT fun to have to spend an evening running between NPCs when you wanted to play a video game. Old missions should not lock new content.

[Olor]

Why do people keep saying this? Do you honestly think that doing CoP is difficult in any way? It's not. There is no "reward" in completing this, there is no sense of achievement, there is no accomplishment. It's a gigantic series of fetch quests, and it's a gigantic waste of time. The story is great, but like I said, experiencing it in game just makes it take forever.

Nobody says I want everything for free. I already earned my AF items to trade in, but I can't. I WANT to do AA fights, but again, I can't, because I haven't finished Zilart. I want to do a LOT of things, but I can't because I have not finished all of these stupid fetch quests. I can't even get a party because I don't have Alexander.

Stop acting like completing CoP is actually something that is difficult and is something I need to complete to "earn" things. It's not. I shouldn't have to do this.

And yes, obviously I am completing it, because I don't have a choice.

What the heck is wrong with this community? It's people like you that stop new people from playing this game.

Yeah. It's insane. People want you to do 10 years of content to play with people today. That's just not sane. You're not asking for a Raja ring - you're asking to be able to claim the rewards of the MODERN content you completed. If you wanted a Raja ring without completing COP people would have a point, but declaring someone is lazy because they don't want to do quests that were 100% outdated 5 years ago in order to participate in modern content? That's nuts.