Reforged AF - Blocked on Step 1?

[SilentSteel]

But the fact that RF Is irrefutably tied to AF+1, whether you yourself have gotten it or not, makes sense why the NPC needs to be tied to the AF+1 npc, who doesn't give the option to +1 it until the progression. Who knows what wrenches would be thrown into the code by tying it to the AF+1 but not the NPC which gives those upgrades in the first place, lol.

[Demonjustin]

I don't see any problem with the pre-reqs as they are. Not like the content is difficult anymore anyway.

Part of why it makes no sense to force it, its a meaningless time sink at this point because it takes so little effort due to its level, the reason its so annoying is because the hardest and most time taking part is running around & getting CSs, oh boy, fun.

But the fact that RF Is irrefutably tied to AF+1, whether you yourself have gotten it or not, makes sense why the NPC needs to be tied to the AF+1 npc, who doesn't give the option to +1 it until the progression.

No, it really doesn't since its not a requirement, there is literally no need to tie them together at all, its a choice they made, and a bad one, but I am tired of arguing the same things over and over again when no one is paying attention it seems or just doesn't care, so fk it.

[Renaissance2K]

I'm pretty sure, if you ask the right person, anything in this game will be called a meaningless timesink.

Why do I have to run around and collect the Home Points before I can warp to them? Meaningless timesink.
Why do I have to farm Merit Points in order to enter the Ark Angel fights? We should be able to enter whenever we want. Meaningless timesink.
Why isn't my drop 100%? Meaningless timesink.
In fact, why do I have to do the fight at all? I should just be able to get it from a NPC. Meaningless timesink.
Why do I have to walk all the way to the other side of the zone to that NPC to claim my item? It should just appear in my Delivery Box. Meaningless timesink.

You know what this game becomes if everything is handed to you? A meaningless timesink.

[Demonjustin]

Asking not to have to do nearly an entire storyline in order to turn in items you already have for a piece of gear even though you have already obtained every single item for it, is akin to items being sent directly to your Dbox, well now that we have gotten the slippery slope argument out of the way, this is truly pointless.

[Renaissance2K]

It is entirely reasonable to have content story-locked. Lots of games do it, including FFXIV. You can't do anything in that game without progressing to a completely arbitrary point in the story.

[Xantavia]

Asking not to have to do nearly an entire storyline in order to turn in items you already have for a piece of gear even though you have already obtained every single item for it, is akin to items being sent directly to your Dbox, well now that we have gotten the slippery slope argument out of the way, this is truly pointless.

But isn't that almost exactly where the items have come from? Not your delivery box exactly but from a moogle right outside of the moghouse, and all you are required to do is log in X number of times.

[Zeargi]

But isn't that almost exactly where the items have come from? Not your delivery box exactly but from a moogle right outside of the moghouse, and all you are required to do is log in X number of times.

The login campaign isn't an excuse to change it. You can get +2 items for Emps. as well. It's only a means to an end in order to expedite the process of acquiring the specific items you need over the random chance of the entire bunch.

[Demonjustin]

But isn't that almost exactly where the items have come from? Not your delivery box exactly but from a moogle right outside of the moghouse, and all you are required to do is log in X number of times.

Again I say, I do not care about +1, it is not the subject I have been arguing about in the first place nor is it connected to the RF in any way besides the connection they made via NPCs, one which did not need to be made and was their choice, and secondly, the fact you may choose to upgrade your AF to +1 before performing the upgrade to RF if you so choose.

RF, Reforged Gear, is obtainable by having the AF Piece you wish to upgrade, 1 Craft Material that varies depending on the job the gear belongs to, for instance, RDM AF requires 1 Scarlet Linen, 1 Craft Material that varies depending on the piece you wish to upgrade, for instance, Phoenix Feather for Head, and lastly, 10 Copies of Rem's Tale, the Chapter of which depends on the piece you wish to upgrade, just like the aforementioned Craft Material.

None of the AF Pieces in the entire game have any relation to Limbus in any way shape or form in order to obtain them, only in upgrading them to +1 status. The list of Craft Materials that vary from job to job are Tiger Leather, Gold Thread, Imperial Silk Cloth, Karakul Cloth, Scarlet Linen, Gold Thread, Gold Sheet, Darksteel Sheet, and Tama-Hagane, each and every single one of these 9 items can be obtained from Crafting, Chests, Coffers or Notorious Monsters. The list of Craft Materials that vary depending on the piece you wish to upgrade are Phoenix Feather, Malboro Fiber, Beetle Blood, Damascene Cloth, and Oxblood, each and every single one of these 5 items can be obtained from KSNMs, Chests in Abyssea, or Notorious Monsters of various origin. The final items needed, Rem's Tale Chapters 1 through 5, are all obtained via Burning Circle Notorious Monster battles entered using Sacred Kindred Crests.

None of these, require Limbus, Sea access, or a single bit of progress in the Chains of Promathia storyline. Please, tell me, what part of the items listed above am I incorrect about? What part of that comes from, or requires, Sea, Limbus, or any other form of Chains of Promathia progress?
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There are two separate NPCs for the upgrades, one for AF --> +1 and Relic --> +1, and a second for the upgrade of AF --> RF, these are two entirely different NPCs, the fact that the first of the two requires you to have Sea access before you can talk to them should not in any way affect your ability to talk to the second whatsoever, nor should it affect your ability to upgrade your AF into RF, due to the fact there are no connections to Limbus between anything this NPC asks you to obtain.

The only connection between RF and Sea or Limbus is the connection created by the fact the NPC is an associate of the original NPC, story wise, this does make sense, but it does not explain why she would be unwilling to assist in any way when we already are in possession of what she requires, but as soon as we complete a specific quest, one which does not directly involve her in any way, she all of a sudden is happy as can be to assist us.

Again I say, please, tell me how I am incorrect in anything I have said here, I would love to know exactly how it makes sense.

[Zeargi]

Again I say, I do not care about +1, it is not the subject I have been arguing about in the first place nor is it connected to the RF in any way besides the connection they made via NPCs, one which did not need to be made and was their choice, and secondly, the fact you may choose to upgrade your AF to +1 before performing the upgrade to RF if you so choose.

RF, Reforged Gear, is obtainable by having the AF Piece you wish to upgrade, 1 Craft Material that varies depending on the job the gear belongs to, for instance, RDM AF requires 1 Scarlet Linen, 1 Craft Material that varies depending on the piece you wish to upgrade, for instance, Phoenix Feather for Head, and lastly, 10 Copies of Rem's Tale, the Chapter of which depends on the piece you wish to upgrade, just like the aforementioned Craft Material.

None of the AF Pieces in the entire game have any relation to Limbus in any way shape or form in order to obtain them, only in upgrading them to +1 status. The list of Craft Materials that vary from job to job are Tiger Leather, Gold Thread, Imperial Silk Cloth, Karakul Cloth, Scarlet Linen, Gold Thread, Gold Sheet, Darksteel Sheet, and Tama-Hagane, each and every single one of these 9 items can be obtained from Crafting, Chests, Coffers or Notorious Monsters. The list of Craft Materials that vary depending on the piece you wish to upgrade are Phoenix Feather, Malboro Fiber, Beetle Blood, Damascene Cloth, and Oxblood, each and every single one of these 5 items can be obtained from KSNMs, Chests in Abyssea, or Notorious Monsters of various origin. The final items needed, Rem's Tale Chapters 1 through 5, are all obtained via Burning Circle Notorious Monster battles entered using Sacred Kindred Crests.

None of these, require Limbus, Sea access, or a single bit of progress in the Chains of Promathia storyline. Please, tell me, what part of the items listed above am I incorrect about? What part of that comes from, or requires, Sea, Limbus, or any other form of Chains of Promathia progress?
ee


There are two separate NPCs for the upgrades, one for AF --> +1 and Relic --> +1, and a second for the upgrade of AF --> RF, these are two entirely different NPCs, the fact that the first of the two requires you to have Sea access before you can talk to them should not in any way affect your ability to talk to the second whatsoever, nor should it affect your ability to upgrade your AF into RF, due to the fact there are no connections to Limbus between anything this NPC asks you to obtain.

The only connection between RF and Sea or Limbus is the connection created by the fact the NPC is an associate of the original NPC, story wise, this does make sense, but it does not explain why she would be unwilling to assist in any way when we already are in possession of what she requires, but as soon as we complete a specific quest, one which does not directly involve her in any way, she all of a sudden is happy as can be to assist us.

Again I say, please, tell me how I am incorrect in anything I have said here, I would love to know exactly how it makes sense.

Regard if you care about the AF+1 or not, it's still part of the Reforging process... By the games logic, you can't get to Temenos or Apollyon... Which also means you can't get the other crafting items: Diabolic Yarn, etc... SE made the choice to link them, much like Shami and Shemo. It don't matter how you got the other items; They're linked, plan and simple, just play through the game and get the cosmo-cleanse

[Demonjustin]

Regard if you care about the AF+1 or not, it's still part of the Reforging process... By the games logic, you can't get to Temenos or Apollyon... Which also means you can't get the other crafting items: Diabolic Yarn, etc... SE made the choice to link them, much like Shami and Shemo. It don't matter how you got the other items; They're linked, plan and simple, just play through the game and get the cosmo-cleanse

AF+1 is not part of the reforging process if you use normal AF...