Delve fights

[Alhanelem]

what most ppl seem to forget is that. having oatixur shows you hit a milestone, have the ability to follow direction and have some idea what to do.

Actually I find that it shows more that you simply have friends in high places. Each person is but one part of an 18 man alliance and there are perfectly competent people out there that either have a hard time finding a group to run with at all and/or are forced to join pugs that usually fail because whoever organized it doesn't really know what to do and not necessarily because oneself was the reason for faliure.

Not having Oats or w/e super power weapon is hot at any given time isn't an indication that a player is bad.

[Karah]

Actually I find that it shows more that you simply have friends in high places. Each person is but one part of an 18 man alliance and there are perfectly competent people out there that either have a hard time finding a group to run with at all and/or are forced to join pugs that usually fail because whoever organized it doesn't really know what to do and not necessarily because oneself was the reason for faliure.

Not having Oats or w/e super power weapon is hot at any given time isn't an indication that a player is bad.

Mostly true, typically the people who have the best are the worst players, Oatixur specifically lol. Terribad players all have oatixur.

[Feary]

delve boss AoEs are nowhere near as powerfull as legion AoEs were back then... seriously. Melees can survive them if they have equipment sets for them or their whms do their jobs with eraseing def down. Yes they are not preferable to deal with, but they are in no way NOT survivable like Legion AoE moves were. They are managable.

lol. agreed. Damane Legion is/was more difficult then delve at release and would win you regardless of how far were progress or how well of player you were.

delve is about gimmicks and learning how to solve them. ie. matamata dakuwaqa mastop etc. dealing and not dealing types of damage at certain times.. positioning and learning how to cure effectively. etc

legion was/is about your alliance over powering large nms in succession who could one shot you at any tp move. there is no gimmick there just stun what you can and kill the best way you know how. among many other things.

of course now it may not be that hard and easier to manage these days because we have must higher dps and much more defensive gear. ie. DEF magic evasion and pdt.

so please dont compare content when the only thing similar is that seem difficult and unattainable to you.
they are two different two beasts.

Actually I find that it shows more that you simply have friends in high places. Each person is but one part of an 18 man alliance and there are perfectly competent people out there that either have a hard time finding a group to run with at all and/or are forced to join pugs that usually fail because whoever organized it doesn't really know what to do and not necessarily because oneself was the reason for faliure.

Not having Oats or w/e super power weapon is hot at any given time isn't an indication that a player is bad.

that isnt true. the high places in this game are arbitrary. you willing to be open minded or not.

from my personal situation i was in a linkshell full of real elitist douches, they had been play and winning endgame content since hnm days of serket and sky. i mean real selfish who didnt help anyone and judged everything that wasnt themselves. who would fight and argue over the most smallest things. leadership also had standards that were outdated by at least 5 years. a real mess. could we kill delve content if members would work together and not for themselves. yes. however that was not going to happen.

looking from the outside looking in yeah you can say i knew high ppl in high places but it didnt matter. its about leadership of all, attitude and willingness to learn.

in the linkshell it us 8months to get 3 zone wins. the linkshell then folded that day and ppl moved on.

i took the ppl who were the linkshell who generally sucked or were considered the bad eggs in the linkshell and i worked with them and showed them how to win at delve.

now we beat all 3 nms at least 3 times a week. is it perfect? no. do we have the best of the best. no. the difference is i believe in the players no matter how bad them seems and challenge them to do/be better. i also translated what they needed to do and what was expected of them. once they knew what to gear they were missing and why and how to kill the nms. we went out and learned the zone by trial and error. it took 3 months to win all 3 nm on a consistent basis because we needed more ppl and need to learn too. however, we had much more sucess with ppl who were at very best mediocre.

so when say to you secondplanet trumpy etc. delve is not that hard. i mean it. and im not saying out of my ass.

maybe its your servers? i dont know. i hear all the time how pug fail. i mean i pick ppl up all the time when needed. i dont have that much of an issue with them and if so their are ways to compensate.

[Oakrest]

Actually I find that it shows more that you simply have friends in high places. Each person is but one part of an 18 man alliance and there are perfectly competent people out there that either have a hard time finding a group to run with at all and/or are forced to join pugs that usually fail because whoever organized it doesn't really know what to do and not necessarily because oneself was the reason for faliure.

Not having Oats or w/e super power weapon is hot at any given time isn't an indication that a player is bad.

This might be the most competent thing you've said on these forums. I can't believe I'm hitting 'Like' on one of Alhanelem's posts

[Feary]

Actually I find that it shows more that you simply have friends in high places. Each person is but one part of an 18 man alliance and there are perfectly competent people out there that either have a hard time finding a group to run with at all and/or are forced to join pugs that usually fail because whoever organized it doesn't really know what to do and not necessarily because oneself was the reason for faliure.

Not having Oats or w/e super power weapon is hot at any given time isn't an indication that a player is bad.

by high places you mean high abilities , do you mean high ability to communicate and high job skill?