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    Quote Originally Posted by Feary View Post
    LOL seriously? lower the difficulty? delve isthe most balanced content in game, when compared to difficulty and playerbase. Delve is perfectly fine where it is and isnt meant for everyone to win. nor is it made for ppl who win to have a 100% success rate.

    stop being a diva. you cant win a battle doesnt mean its broken. the real issue is you cant handle the "dodgeball effect" and the social expects of the game. so you get picked last or dont even get consider. move on it wasnt your time and get better. this includes making your own parties to network and dealing with trial and error.

    the players and party leaders who tell you no "lol rigors" earned their right because they have done the above. there is no reason to go back to higher chance of failure. at this point if you dont have oatixurs its more of a reflection of your ability as a player. and i;m not just talking about skill to punch and ws. or sing a rotation.

    also its not always the case. i know i will take a lolmnk or unconventional job to tojil. help someone get the clear and/or experience. show there were they stand, and teach them where to go next. when i know the player is decent person and ability when my alliance can support the lack of damage/utility you cannot produce.

    when ppl are not lazy and are willing to learn/perform they get opportunities. some thing as simple as networking on your server. and not degrading the system and ppl in it can go a really long way.

    Those ppl who are telling you no, went thru the same difficulty and stress. its called trial and error. if you are seriously in a situation where you cannot see this its because you are being lazy and a diva. there is nothing wrong with losing. its part of the game. you just have to learn how to be able to being able find that group of competent players and win.
    How am i Lazy or being a Diva, I also stated that several times i've done this people have gone out of their way in the party to insure our failure. Like i said, we had a whm do benediction during a big part of the fight with tojil which pulled him into the mage party and wiped us out. I've seen people who were the main result of our failure go up and /em high fives or even mt with a say "that was easy" to other players in town after the failure like its a game to make others fail these.

    I've been in groups with monks with oats and I only had my eminence gear and i wasn't only out damaging others who already had their oats and wins i was tanking the whole fight with taking minimum damage compared to them getting killed in 2-3 hits. During this fight we had it down to an art but then someone from the mage side came into the area and stole hate then ran back to the mages. Even after 3 provokes from the monks we were unable to get him back to us and he weakend the mages and all failed from there.

    I'm not saying its broken but the player base is broken in itself. No body had oats to do these fights at the beginning and why is it such a strict requirement now? Also you saying not everyone will get one and its not for everyone to have is like saying that in the next update everyone without should just quit since everything that has come out since then requires you to have a i119 gear in order to get invited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
    How am i Lazy or being a Diva, I also stated that several times i've done this people have gone out of their way in the party to insure our failure. Like i said, we had a whm do benediction during a big part of the fight with tojil which pulled him into the mage party and wiped us out. I've seen people who were the main result of our failure go up and /em high fives or even mt with a say "that was easy" to other players in town after the failure like its a game to make others fail these.
    I believe you are being a diva because you are posting/suggesting/demanding the content be change or eased. when you be learning how to better evaluate the player you choose and your methods in strategy. Based on the fact that you are having trouble defeating it with your methods.

    i believe you are being lazy because the content isnt as strong/difficult as it was 8 months ago. Also, the playerbase isnt as weak as they were 8 months ago.

    1. most players have notable gear. making that
    2. most players have knowledge of strategy and whats expected of them in the strat.
    3. most players have experience doing these fights. and know if its going to be a successful based on /check and the time it takes to kill 1-5 NM.
    i.e. stunning, healing, and overall dps of each dd.

    Hell as you mention, the addition of Eminence weapons even proves the point even more. this is how s.e choose to ease content. add weapons that are comparable in strength and easier to obtain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
    I've been in groups with monks with oats and I only had my eminence gear and i wasn't only out damaging others who already had their oats and wins i was tanking the whole fight with taking minimum damage compared to them getting killed in 2-3 hits. During this fight we had it down to an art but then someone from the mage side came into the area and stole hate then ran back to the mages. Even after 3 provokes from the monks we were unable to get him back to us and he weakend the mages and all failed from there.
    Eminence vs oat. at this point is irrelevant in relation to tojil. as you explained it depends on the players who join and their skill. of course there are alot of other factors that would effect dps. i.e stuns/weakness from lahar, buffs, etc etc

    which all boils down to you picking the right ppl. namely this will only happen thru trial and error.

    if someone(s) is really out to get you and your groups. then that is still your fault for having such a rep and inviting payers who are out to get you. know your enemies and learn how to better select ppl.

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
    I'm not saying its broken but the player base is broken in itself. No body had oats to do these fights at the beginning and why is it such a strict requirement now? Also you saying not everyone will get one and its not for everyone to have is like saying that in the next update everyone without should just quit since everything that has come out since then requires you to have a i119 gear in order to get invited.
    its strict because of the reasons you mentioned above. to prevent those mistakes and situations from happening.

    what most ppl seem to forget is that. having oatixur shows you hit a milestone, have the ability to follow direction and have some idea what to do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
    Your story is just weird. Benediction enmity is proportional to HP healed, so depending on the situation, your WHM either saved his PT or Benediction shouldn't have produced enough enmity to pull hate. Also, nobody should be tanking the whole fight. Hate should be bouncing around between the DDs. Under no circumstances should mages pull hate, ever. And you haven't even mentioned your stunners, which are usually the biggest culprit (and easiest to blame, generally).

    Just reading your story, I get the impression that not only are your groups failing, you can't even properly identify why they are failing. That's the first step toward success.
    i have to second this. i think you just dont know what exactly is going on and are focusing on the wrong thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feary View Post
    I believe you are being a diva because you are posting/suggesting/demanding the content be change or eased. when you be learning how to better evaluate the player you choose and your methods in strategy. Based on the fact that you are having trouble defeating it with your methods.

    i believe you are being lazy because the content isnt as strong/difficult as it was 8 months ago. Also, the playerbase isnt as weak as they were 8 months ago.
    You aren't the first egotistical elitist I've dealt with on these boards before. Like normal people like you miss the point by miles by calling the OP a crybaby/QQ/or diva and your choice of words. I had to level my summoner solo when i couldn't get parties as a gimped whm back in the day, took me almost 6 months to get to 75, now someone can get it done in a day. I am not downtalking them as some sort of inferior person cause they took the easy or lazy way of doing the job, it will show in their skills when fighting. The problem is that you are expected to have oats and the eminence gear isn't accepted as a alternative like SE intended it to. Players are enforcing requirements that would make most returning players cancel on the spot cause of the whole chicken and the egg scenario.

    Look at the stink relic and mythic owners made about the emp weapons when they came out, every page was filled with hate the people were taking the easy way and getting huge returns, now they are considered to be on par with them. What i would love to see is they make a 6man bcnm style fight vs. a nakuul for the same KI just no drops of them for the fight. Its also easier to find people who need the win to give it their all then to find people who will tag along not caring if they win or not since they got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
    You aren't the first egotistical elitist I've dealt with on these boards before. Like normal people like you miss the point by miles by calling the OP a crybaby/QQ/or diva and your choice of words. I had to level my summoner solo when i couldn't get parties as a gimped whm back in the day, took me almost 6 months to get to 75, now someone can get it done in a day. I am not downtalking them as some sort of inferior person cause they took the easy or lazy way of doing the job, it will show in their skills when fighting. The problem is that you are expected to have oats and the eminence gear isn't accepted as a alternative like SE intended it to. Players are enforcing requirements that would make most returning players cancel on the spot cause of the whole chicken and the egg scenario.

    Look at the stink relic and mythic owners made about the emp weapons when they came out, every page was filled with hate the people were taking the easy way and getting huge returns, now they are considered to be on par with them. What i would love to see is they make a 6man bcnm style fight vs. a nakuul for the same KI just no drops of them for the fight. Its also easier to find people who need the win to give it their all then to find people who will tag along not caring if they win or not since they got it.

    lol egotistical elitist. me? lol nah. far from it. i've been playing this game since day one and have gone thru every single update and real hardship.
    i know what a real douchebag and elitist it and most players today are not. what it comes down to is two ppl who dont listen to each other and who dont wnat to evaluate their own ideas. in fact, i disagree with most players who post asinine comments to players who are actually trying. however, i also hear what both sides are saying. fact of the matter is you need to try harder and they need to stop thier extreme judging.

    you know nothing about me, and because i disagree with your demand for the content to be eased and ask that you try harder . i.e make better decisions. you want to brand me as an elitist. I'm not an "elitist", i just have a clue. i know how to manage the game mechanics and more important how to choose players with abilities. if you were listening to my original post you would know that I would take any person or job if they know how to play it. but only if and when its it not detrimental to the alliance.

    you would also know that i said weapons are not longer a factor because of eminence gear. its about player skill and ability. i also show ppl the way, and help them play thier jobs in conventional strategies.

    the real issue as to why you cant win loltojil is your ability to network and choose the right ppl to do the job.

    as for your r.e.m comments. lol they didnt change anything. they are still all on the same plan/ linear tier. the difficulty is the same. its just a matter of what the player base wants to to do and how they want to work.

    s.e ideology is that the playerbase would be still spaming salvage and vw for thier weapons like they do dynamis. s.e simply thinks that have given us enough reason to do it when they haven't.

    yes mythic takes a more time to complete but more maybe by 2-3 months. which is why mythics are generally better/have a different utility.

    however, ffxi has always been about the journey not just the reward. emps were added and did thier job. now they gave us delve weapons and roe weapons and pushed emps up on the the same difficulty as all r.e.m.

    s.e assumed we would still be doing vw and salvage on the same level as we do dynamis for relic. however they are wrong, and hoping we get a clue. so they change the price of clusters to give more incentive along with lowering the salvage entry requirements.

    if/when that doesnt work they will continue to shift it in our direction of what we expect it to be.

    players get something in thier head of where they want the game to be and the game isnt what they thought it is or should be.
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