You seem to think i am mad about the WHMs and DD i spoke of. I am more amazed that when you have a group that should be able to win you dont because of people who either dont seem to have their heads in it, which makes you wonder why they joined up in the first place, or cant follow the simplest of instructions. Sometimes the whm will be like "I cant keep all their HPs up!" well that is why we said use curagas ect... And when these kinds of things happen you pretty much know you are done cause PUGs rarely stick for another go at it like a group based on a linkshell will tend to retry.