Delve fights

[Vivivivi]

Someone on Phoenix made an all SMN alliance with two PLD and won.

^^^
I was lucky enough to join a group on Blue Mage last night as a wildcard of sorts– and held my own with the Oat. monks and 119 Relic DRKs in terms of damage. I was also able to AOE haste with animating wail, and help keep debuffs on.

I think delve is designed fine. Players just need to be open minded enough to try different strategies.

[Secondplanet]

I believe you are being a diva because you are posting/suggesting/demanding the content be change or eased. when you be learning how to better evaluate the player you choose and your methods in strategy. Based on the fact that you are having trouble defeating it with your methods.

i believe you are being lazy because the content isnt as strong/difficult as it was 8 months ago. Also, the playerbase isnt as weak as they were 8 months ago.

You aren't the first egotistical elitist I've dealt with on these boards before. Like normal people like you miss the point by miles by calling the OP a crybaby/QQ/or diva and your choice of words. I had to level my summoner solo when i couldn't get parties as a gimped whm back in the day, took me almost 6 months to get to 75, now someone can get it done in a day. I am not downtalking them as some sort of inferior person cause they took the easy or lazy way of doing the job, it will show in their skills when fighting. The problem is that you are expected to have oats and the eminence gear isn't accepted as a alternative like SE intended it to. Players are enforcing requirements that would make most returning players cancel on the spot cause of the whole chicken and the egg scenario.

Look at the stink relic and mythic owners made about the emp weapons when they came out, every page was filled with hate the people were taking the easy way and getting huge returns, now they are considered to be on par with them. What i would love to see is they make a 6man bcnm style fight vs. a nakuul for the same KI just no drops of them for the fight. Its also easier to find people who need the win to give it their all then to find people who will tag along not caring if they win or not since they got it.

[Trumpy]

what most ppl seem to forget is that. having oatixur shows you hit a milestone, have the ability to follow direction and have some idea what to do.

You seem to be forgettin that you cant hit said milestone or have the ability to show you can follow directions and have an idea of what to do if people wont let you join because you havent hit said milestone. I am not sayin you are wrong just there are many more angles on this than most people seem capable of seeing most times.

[Feary]

You aren't the first egotistical elitist I've dealt with on these boards before. Like normal people like you miss the point by miles by calling the OP a crybaby/QQ/or diva and your choice of words. I had to level my summoner solo when i couldn't get parties as a gimped whm back in the day, took me almost 6 months to get to 75, now someone can get it done in a day. I am not downtalking them as some sort of inferior person cause they took the easy or lazy way of doing the job, it will show in their skills when fighting. The problem is that you are expected to have oats and the eminence gear isn't accepted as a alternative like SE intended it to. Players are enforcing requirements that would make most returning players cancel on the spot cause of the whole chicken and the egg scenario.

Look at the stink relic and mythic owners made about the emp weapons when they came out, every page was filled with hate the people were taking the easy way and getting huge returns, now they are considered to be on par with them. What i would love to see is they make a 6man bcnm style fight vs. a nakuul for the same KI just no drops of them for the fight. Its also easier to find people who need the win to give it their all then to find people who will tag along not caring if they win or not since they got it.

lol egotistical elitist. me? lol nah. far from it. i've been playing this game since day one and have gone thru every single update and real hardship.
i know what a real douchebag and elitist it and most players today are not. what it comes down to is two ppl who dont listen to each other and who dont wnat to evaluate their own ideas. in fact, i disagree with most players who post asinine comments to players who are actually trying. however, i also hear what both sides are saying. fact of the matter is you need to try harder and they need to stop thier extreme judging.

you know nothing about me, and because i disagree with your demand for the content to be eased and ask that you try harder . i.e make better decisions. you want to brand me as an elitist. I'm not an "elitist", i just have a clue. i know how to manage the game mechanics and more important how to choose players with abilities. if you were listening to my original post you would know that I would take any person or job if they know how to play it. but only if and when its it not detrimental to the alliance.

you would also know that i said weapons are not longer a factor because of eminence gear. its about player skill and ability. i also show ppl the way, and help them play thier jobs in conventional strategies.

the real issue as to why you cant win loltojil is your ability to network and choose the right ppl to do the job.

as for your r.e.m comments. lol they didnt change anything. they are still all on the same plan/ linear tier. the difficulty is the same. its just a matter of what the player base wants to to do and how they want to work.

s.e ideology is that the playerbase would be still spaming salvage and vw for thier weapons like they do dynamis. s.e simply thinks that have given us enough reason to do it when they haven't.

yes mythic takes a more time to complete but more maybe by 2-3 months. which is why mythics are generally better/have a different utility.

however, ffxi has always been about the journey not just the reward. emps were added and did thier job. now they gave us delve weapons and roe weapons and pushed emps up on the the same difficulty as all r.e.m.

s.e assumed we would still be doing vw and salvage on the same level as we do dynamis for relic. however they are wrong, and hoping we get a clue. so they change the price of clusters to give more incentive along with lowering the salvage entry requirements.

if/when that doesnt work they will continue to shift it in our direction of what we expect it to be.

players get something in thier head of where they want the game to be and the game isnt what they thought it is or should be.

[Feary]

what most ppl seem to forget is that. having oatixur shows you hit a milestone, have the ability to follow direction and have some idea what to do.

You seem to be forgettin that you cant hit said milestone or have the ability to show you can follow directions and have an idea of what to do if people wont let you join because you havent hit said milestone. I am not sayin you are wrong just there are many more angles on this than most people seem capable of seeing most times.

i agree, they cant hit the milestone. however that is when i ask them other questions related to gear and strat.

8/10 times they havent done the leg work and dont plan to.

im just looking at it from a party leader perspective which most ppl seem to forget. not everyone is an elitist. they want to forget this aspect when they want to play the victim.

when you see multiple players who fail at their job and at the strat, it becomes simple assumptions. like no oat no invite.

8 months into delve if you are a serious monk and dont have at least oatixurs or eminent h2h with apporiate af2 augments skirmish gear etc. you have an issue.

[Doombringer]

how is this still an issue, really? i mean... even i got my first delve clears back before ilvl was even a thing. add power creep and delve is almost easy. when i go now i don't think "oh man am i gonna be able to do my part" it's really "oh man i hope nobody fucks up and wastes my time"

cuz that's it now. the only way to fail is for somebody to fuck up...

so as a leader your responsibility is to ensure minimal fuckups by recruiting people who know what they're doing. ideally people who have done it before. you see where this is going right?

i agree that a tojil run could win with eminent H2H on its monks, but i'll probably never use one. there are enough oatixur monks out there that i don't NEED to, and making delve easier won't change that. unless the event becomes so easy as to be a literal free win, people are going to bring the best group they can. it would be downright stupid not to?


my suggestion to anyone having trouble breaking into delve is, the next time someone asks if you have oatixurs (or whatever random benchmark weapon, i'm gonna aim this at mnks) instead of saying "no" and shuffling off muttering "elitist" under your breath, say "no, but..."

-then tell them about how good your TP set is.

-how much dex you have in your shijin spiral set.

-how you have SO much str and crit stats in your victory smite set.

-how you can cap pdt while maintaining haste and acc in your hybrid set (just in case) but that you know not to fulltime that pdt set because if you don't actually NEED the pdt it's still just holding you back.

-mention how you have all the job specific pieces that augment the critical job abilities so on etc.

make a case that you know what you're doing in spite of not having that particular arbitrary benchmark. hell, if you did THAT i might take your monk over mine even though i have oats. and if you CAN'T make that case, then maybe that should tell you something?

hell, i got my first clears by explaining to a guy who "demanded" RDMs have 500 enfeebling skill that: even though i didn't have 500 enfeebling skill, if you consider magic accuracy (particularly in slots where it competes with enfeebling magic skill) i actually had better land rates on my spells than the "go to" 500 skill build.

[Zarchery]

I just don't bother with Delve. What's the point anyway? To get a weapon so that... people will let you do Delve? Seems circular to me.

I dunno about this cookie cutter setup thing with Delve. I did several of them just because I wanted a Delve win to upgrade my Spharai. We never won. We either wiped or ran out of time. I think the reason parties are so cookie cutter is because when you're cobbling together a bunch of strangers, you can't rely on their skills or team work abilities (you don't them well enough) so you have to do the next best thing and go for standardized gear and job configurations.

[Trumpy]

problem is the "standardized gear" is the BoS items you get from said content. I totally get what you guys are saying, it just is frustrating for the people without the gear. Its like a repeating record though this topic, and it will prolly not stop gettin brought up til there is even better BoS gear, which will have its own repeating record.

[Ravenmore]

I just don't bother with Delve. What's the point anyway? To get a weapon so that... people will let you do Delve? Seems circular to me.

I dunno about this cookie cutter setup thing with Delve. I did several of them just because I wanted a Delve win to upgrade my Spharai. We never won. We either wiped or ran out of time. I think the reason parties are so cookie cutter is because when you're cobbling together a bunch of strangers, you can't rely on their skills or team work abilities (you don't them well enough) so you have to do the next best thing and go for standardized gear and job configurations.

The simple reason is it is faster to assume that if they have a delve boss weapon they are good and the leaders don't have the time to question or get a feel of the player so even if the RoE weapon user might have better gear and skills the leader won't have the time to talk to them while having to deal with all the other tell/party/LS chat they have to keep straight.

I have seen many "perfect" set ups and many "not perfect" set ups win. What I have seen doom some of the perfect set ups that were made by pick up groups was not brd/cor swapping cause people on BG said you don't need too. Sure you don't need to if you go with a group of people that have been working together for a long time but for pick up randoms swapping is a must to cover the short comings of the weak, lesser skilled/gear players that only thing they have going for them is they have boss weapons they bought/leeched. After that the next big failing is schs and whms not performing at the level needed to win. Schs and whms are the most important jobs in delve nothing will cause a fail faster then a sch that can't stun in time and whms that can't keep up with healing and stat removal(though the DDs really should carry remedies but we know how that goes).

[svengalis]

Your story is just weird. Benediction enmity is proportional to HP healed, so depending on the situation, your WHM either saved his PT or Benediction shouldn't have produced enough enmity to pull hate. Also, nobody should be tanking the whole fight. Hate should be bouncing around between the DDs. Under no circumstances should mages pull hate, ever. And you haven't even mentioned your stunners, which are usually the biggest culprit (and easiest to blame, generally).

Just reading your story, I get the impression that not only are your groups failing, you can't even properly identify why they are failing. That's the first step toward success.

The reason for failure can be different each run