Realistic Job adjustments wants!

[Fetus]

I'll jump on the Jubaku: Ni ... Bandwagon.

Right. Because something people have wanted for years is suddenly bandwagon. Or it's just getting more attention because SE gave us an official place to make ourselves heard.

[Superchicken]

don't think you will ever see Utsu San as with nin af3 boots you get 5 and 4 shadows

I think paralyze NI will come in next merits.

I also thought ninja should get some kind of sleep spell or something like hide that thf has. I mean ninjas are suppose to be sneaky and able to vanish or go undetected so gives a vanish ability

throwing WS's is a must if you ask me

what i'm really looking forward to is the statement SE made about increasing the skill up rate of parry and guard. 285 parry skill and playing ninja all day long and seeing maybe a 1 lvl skill up per day is depressing

[Vrbas]

A+ Katana skill <Yes Please>

[NightBear]

Lets be reallistic about all this JA's and stuff I read so far. NIN only needs 1 thing, Ni version of the Ichi spells we got after 75, nothing more. If you cannot perfor the job well as is, if you have a hard time keeping hate, keeping shadows up,getting hit, then that means this is not the job for you. It makes me sad/angry that back in 2007-eary 2010 you could count the amount of NIN players on any event around: Merit groups, Dynamis , Sky , Sea, Limbus, etc. Why? beocuse NIN was a complex job to play back them before Abyssea came out, In order to keep hate of 2handers you had to be good at keeping hate with your tools, WS sets, and JA's, chosing the right sub job for the right situation. If you think you need 10 clones to attack a mob.. go play Naruto games, If you think you need more evasion after you get hit.. go level THF and get an evasion set, If you think you need a throwing WS.. go level RNG. While the need of Ni spells for Yurin,Miwagari,Yubaki,Myoshin is needed badly ( becouse by the time you enfeeble an enely already lost 40% of its HP) San spells are versions are not. If you can't land your Ni spells as is then something is wrong with you ninjutsu gear set. If you need warp as a tool..then having 10 Conquest point warp scrolls,Warp sticks,Warp items from events,Teleporting rings, and your 2hr should just disapear no? . Yes I sound full of anger but if you jumped from the SAM bandwagon to NIN becouse its easy on abyssea and still want all this "Reallistic JA's" get real play the job right.

P.S. Yes I was a NIN since 2007 and always played NIN when it was needed. Some mobs are better off to be left alone for your fellow PLD's.

Edit: Katana skill A+? We are the only job with 4 A skills, and able to weild a GK too, Torque,AF3, Merits should be enough katana skill to be Q.Qing about not having A+

[Superchicken]

If you think you need a throwing WS.. go level RNG.

What's RNG have to do with a throwing WS. last time i checked RNG didn't have a throwing WS but guess what they have archery and marksmanship AND weaponskills for axe, dagger, etc. So what's wrong with having a couple throwing WS's for a ninja? No one said they had to be super duper powered up WS's but since alot of ninjas carry boomerangs, chakrams, because of the stat bonus some provide and heaven forbid may need to range attack something to pull it, or to make use of some of the nice dmg a nice shuriken has. If you really think about, whats the use of having throwing skill if theres no WS to go with it. Oh i know cause that throw you use to pull a mob to camp needs to hit right? Oh and theres Sange or w/e its called that you can merit on ninja, cause with the availability of the highest dmg shuriken sange is so sought after by nins right? With no throwing weaponskill theres really no reason have skill associated with throwing. The only real things throwing skill would even matter would be throwing winds at sky gods, but who does sky anymore and at lvl 90 who even cares about throwing the wind at it, or throwing the ash at Ixion cause i think it has to hit to claim him but not sure and if doesn't have to hit proves my point even more or the actually usefulness of even having throwing skill in the game if theres no weaponskills to go with it. And even throwing at sky gods or Ixion who uses a nin to do it anyway, most would use a RNG to unlimited shot the throw and sharpshot for increased racc

[Fetus]

5 A- skills, NightBear. Katana, Throwing, Parrying, Evasion and Ninjutsu. More than any other job. So if everyone would stop crying about not having A+ Katana skill, that'd be great.... it's not even worth whining about. Ninja doesn't need Utsusemi: San by any stretch of the imagination. Ninja also doesn't need to be tainted by Naruto anymore, so if you could cut it out with that crap, awesome. It's like 2/3 of you aren't even thinking about what you type before you type it.

[Bulrogg]

I totally forgot Naruto was in the game.
I guess he trained Kagetora (S) and Hundredfaced Hapool Ja. Because that's (Naruto) totally where we all got the idea of having shadow clones from Utsusemi and not those two NPC mobs.
Nor was it the three year old post from POL regarding 'New Mercenary Ranks and Assault Missions'.

.....proceed with extreme caution. We have received reports indicating that these ninjas wield mysterious and deadly forms of ninjutsu.

I think allowing the PC's to use some form of this ninjutsu might have some nice role to play in game. Imagine if you could pop out your shadows as clones through a JA and then when they are killed or released you gain all of the Enimity/TP/HP that they had prior to the point of release. (Now yeah, I did kinda take that from Naruto where he learnt how to power level train himself) tainted love, oh oh oh oh....

[Superchicken]

so with a Job Trait called Fade you want ninja to gain evasion when they are hit? Sounds broken to me. We should just have ninja's be able to not die at all while we are at. Ninja's have Utsu and good evasion skill as is, and you want an Ability to increase their evasion even more when they get hit, Yonin is already there to increase the evasion yet you still want more? I believe asking for this so called Fade ability is a little much. The thread is titled REALISTIC job wants i believe fade is slightly on the unrealistic side in terms of its something thats already there in game through yonin. Asking for even more evasion on a job that already has good evasion skill, a job ability to increase that evasion even more, Shadows to absorb physical hits, and plenty of evasion gear to use if you choose is a little far fetched and over the top if you ask me

[darkvision]

so with a Job Trait called Fade you want ninja to gain evasion when they are hit? Sounds broken to me. We should just have ninja's be able to not die at all while we are at. Ninja's have Utsu and good evasion skill as is, and you want an Ability to increase their evasion even more when they get hit, Yonin is already there to increase the evasion yet you still want more? I believe asking for this so called Fade ability is a little much. The thread is titled REALISTIC job wants i believe fade is slightly on the unrealistic side in terms of its something thats already there in game through yonin. Asking for even more evasion on a job that already has good evasion skill, a job ability to increase that evasion even more, Shadows to absorb physical hits, and plenty of evasion gear to use if you choose is a little far fetched and over the top if you ask me

on the topic on Evasion THF gets way more EVA than Ninja does by ~30 evasion so does that mean THF is broken since they have more EVA than NIN?

Also remember that Yonin's EVA bonus is when infront of the mob only so when not infront of the mob (like tanking something from behind or AoE) then THF has ~ 80 more evasion than NIN so having an ability like fade will not break NIN and if you read the description

New Job Trait: Fade
When a Ninja takes physical damage, their evasion increases for a brief time.
Tier 1 Level 20: +5 evasion
Tier 2 Level 40: +10 evasion
Tier 3 Level 60: +15 evasion
Tier 4 Level 80: +20 evasion

* It's +5 per tier, total of 20, not 50 (just in case there's any confusion)
* This is a very short effect, but it should last long enough to help evade at least the next enemy attack.
* Gear could be added to enhance Fade's duration and amount of evasion.

i even under lined it for you. THF will still get ~10 more evasion than NIN

ask yourself again, will an ability like Fade, as AyinDygra mentioned, break NIN?

imo no it will not, if your woried that it will, then why not make it activate while Yonin is not in effect? Yonin can be dispelled and can be stolen from some mobs and if this is the case then THF still has the superior EVA

here is how i looked at it
Thief Evasion
Evasion Skill A+ 361
Evasion Bonus V Total Evasion Up: +60
Gear +105 (approx not exact possibly higher)

Total: 526

Ninja Evasion
Evasion Skill: 354
Yonin (when in front of mob): +50
Gear: +103(approx not exact possibly higher)

Total: infront of mob = 507
Total: not infront of mob = 457

will a total of +20 REALLY break NIN?

[Karbuncle]

NIN + THF Evasion stuff

I don't think +20 Eva will break NIN! But if you add those traits, with NIN infront of the mob, You'd have 1more EVA than THF... and Evasion is kinda THF's thing :X Its a Catastrophe :O!

It sounds like a solid Job Trait though, It'd be selfish for me to think that NIN wouldn't be good with it.

But you should also give it to THF At a lower rate. I.E

Lv.40 Fade I
Lv.60 Fade 2
Lv.80 Fade 3

for THF, just to keep them on the top of EVA :P