Realistic Job adjustments wants!

[Bulrogg]

Come on guys, you are arguing over the same thing in different threads. Please stop. Agree to dissagree and move on to another topic.

Are you fighting the same mob over and over? I have gone up against many mobs that are best kept distance from; and while keeping at a safe distance I toss a few :Ni/:San and yes; even shuriken.

If you aren't fighting a mob like that I see your point. But some people are and they would like to see an adjustment to some of Ninjas ranged attacking methods (Elemental and Throwing).

Is not fighting those mobs an excuse to have a closed mine and not see situations where a made adjustment can be useful?

I am more on the fence about throwing than ever before... but I would like to see (from both sides of the community) is the posters here stop imposing their playing style on everyone else. We have to get over the fact that not every person/party/alliance/linkshell fight/kite/kill the same mobs the same way.

All of this bickering and telling people to go do such-n-such or play another job is just a lot of negativity and going to get threads closed. That is why I keep asking people to bite their cheek in their replies. Make your point and hit reply before saying something that gets the thread closed or you banned.

What ever happened to "if can't say something nice...?" (I always preferred "speak like your grandmother is listening" cause my granny didn't put up with anything lol)

[Karbuncle]

I don't think I've ever come across a mob on NIN I felt i needed to be out of AoE range on.

Granted i Generally low man with ~4 people max and am the tank as such...

Also, Shuriken's Sweet spot is literally Melee range, If you're out of AoE range your Shuriken damage is going to blow chunks too.

I know throwing is sorta a weird wet dream, but the entire concept sucks, back at 75 there might have been a use for it, but at 90~99 Where a NIN has so much Dual wield/Haste gear, Throwing anything short of God-Winds is going to just hurt your DPS, and even then it probably still will.

I don't think i can even think of a proper comparison between NIN and Throwing being useless and another job/another ability.

I'm very open minded when it comes to adjustments, But i'm with Wish on this one, If you want adjustments to NIN, don't think about Shuriken... It works well for RNG cause thats rngs "Thing" and even they're kinda boned cause there is no Haste/March for Ranged attacks.

So unless we're given Easily accessible Shuriken with "Snapshot+50" and DMG:200+ Its not going to make it useful.

[Shadobi]

I don't think I've ever come across a mob on NIN I felt i needed to be out of AoE range on.

Granted i Generally low man with ~4 people max and am the tank as such...

Also, Shuriken's Sweet spot is literally Melee range, If you're out of AoE range your Shuriken damage is going to blow chunks too.

I know throwing is sorta a weird wet dream, but the entire concept sucks, back at 75 there might have been a use for it, but at 90~99 Where a NIN has so much Dual wield/Haste gear, Throwing anything short of God-Winds is going to just hurt your DPS, and even then it probably still will.

I don't think i can even think of a proper comparison between NIN and Throwing being useless and another job/another ability.

I'm very open minded when it comes to adjustments, But i'm with Wish on this one, If you want adjustments to NIN, don't think about Shuriken... It works well for RNG cause thats rngs "Thing" and even they're kinda boned cause there is no Haste/March for Ranged attacks.

So unless we're given Easily accessible Shuriken with "Snapshot+50" and DMG:200+ Its not going to make it useful.

Ninja does not need to be far to get bonus from throwing we still get the squarely bonus(not the max) if you move just a bit back in still able to hit the mob with katana's. I doubt most ninja know this... also not saying anything negative towards you whats so ever just stating what I know playing ninja =)

[Akujima]

I don't think i can even think of a proper comparison between NIN and Throwing being useless and another job/another ability.

I'm very open minded when it comes to adjustments, But i'm with Wish on this one, If you want adjustments to NIN, don't think about Shuriken... It works well for RNG cause thats rngs "Thing"

This is unbelievable. I'm talking about Improving something that has gone bad. Never once did I say that Throwing at this very moment is any good. But it seems to be the trend to just toss out and do away with a key feature ability (NIN has had throwing since the conception of the Final Fantasy Series) of this particular job. Im knocking my head against the wall...

Ninja's Throw Things.

Improve Throwing itself, don't get rid of it.

Done.

[Bulrogg]

I've already said throwing is situational in other threads, but that is ninja all together; situational. They have the ability to react to mobs in ways that other DD/tanks can't. Or at least that is how I've been playing it these past seven years.

I didn't literally mean making all ranged attacks from out AoE range. More or less staying on that threshold moving away to avoid moves and coming back to continue DMG/Debuff, keeping yourself on the hate list in case the other tank goes down.

But again I will say Throwing is situational. That being said I would like to see an update that would make it more than situational. Why? Maybe only because when I think of ninja's I think of Nunchaku and Shurikens. That's enough for me.

and speaking of Nunchaku....
new blunt weapon with NIN skill A- (cause thats just what we'd expect from SE) <.<
Dual weilding Nunchaku o.O!

[Darwena]

I've already said throwing is situational in other threads, but that is ninja all together; situational. They have the ability to react to mobs in ways that other DD/tanks can't. Or at least that is how I've been playing it these past seven years.

I didn't literally mean making all ranged attacks from out AoE range. More or less staying on that threshold moving away to avoid moves and coming back to continue DMG/Debuff, keeping yourself on the hate list in case the other tank goes down.

But again I will say Throwing is situational. That being said I would like to see an update that would make it more than situational. Why? Maybe only because when I think of ninja's I think of Nunchaku and Shurikens. That's enough for me.

and speaking of Nunchaku....
new blunt weapon with NIN skill A- (cause thats just what we'd expect from SE) <.<
Dual weilding Nunchaku o.O!

Nunchaku love the idea and why not DW tonfa also and don't forget Shuriken please, even if I'm the only one who would use it ;p

[wish12oz]

Since you're trying to argue this in like 8 threads, I'm posting the same response in all of them so I know you see it.

I'm gonna spell this out for you, try not to get lost, read it til you get it.
Manji Shuriken have a 192 delay.
Kannagi+Kamome have a combined (210+180) 390 delay.
When you hit the delay reduction cap of 80%, this becomes a new delay of 78.
78+78=156, you get slightly more then 2 melee attacks rounds per throw.(throwing delay is 192)
with apoc, /war, brutal, eponas you have triple attack+18%, double attack+18%, which means 54% of the time, you get an extra attack per melee round.
So at +54% melee attacks per round, every time you attack, you get 1 extra attack, because you attack twice every round.
you get slightly more then 2 attack rounds per throw, you get 3 attacks per round.
Your throwing damage needs to be slightly better then 6 melee attacks and give as much tp as 6 melee attacks to be on par with just meleeing.
Throwing comes no where near either of these 2 things, and never will, it's impossible unless they make haste affect ranged attacks.

Argue against me, go ahead.

[Darwena]

Oh come out with you're silly math all you want, I just don't care about it. I like shuriken, I like FFXI, I like Ninja and i like you're art (seriously). But harder you try to convince me how shuriken re bad, and more I would like to use them.

[Karbuncle]

Oh come out with you're silly math all you want, I just don't care about it. I like shuriken, I like FFXI, I like Ninja and i like you're art (seriously). But harder you try to convince me how shuriken re bad, and more I would like to use them.

Feel free to play this game however you want, You can enjoy it and find fun wherever you please. I respect this 100%. You are allowed to freely explore any aspect of the game you want!

But, Shuriken are less than desirable at the moment. They do offer a way to pull mobs however. They're fun toys too, and you have every right to use them.

But just because you hate math, does not mean you should insult those who do enjoy playing the job to its best potential!

Again, Enjoy the game however you want, But don't act like we're the bad guys here !


Also, For the sake of Argument, I already posted my Job Adjustment wants for NIN about some pages ago, You can go look at them. I liked them :|