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  1. #101
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    Maybe not endgame, but Carbuncle is supposed to be a low level, versatile avatar with decent healing/support/damage/magic abilities. It's an all around decent and versatile avatar that's free and cheap. Just think of it as a Fast Blade or a T1 nuke(pre patch) nobody used them at high levels but they were pretty good at low levels. Carbuncle was intended to be a versatile avatar for young summoners who haven't unlocked the others yet. Most PUPs dont use Harlequinn frame at high levels yet it's still versatile as a starting/low level Automaton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoxd View Post
    This is hands down the worst thing I have ever heard come out of the dev team. You realize carbuncle is 100% worthless right? It never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever is used on anything ever.

    Thanks for the avatar I will never summon. I was expecting another diabolos, useful but sucks overall, but instead we get another carbuncle lol.
    Carbuncle is used ALL the time in reives/WKR/any open event. Strong AOE cure and aoe erase, why wouldn't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draylo View Post
    Carbuncle is used ALL the time in reives/WKR/any open event. Strong AOE cure and aoe erase, why wouldn't you?
    LOL.

    Sorry I guess I should be thankful! Now I can do WKR and AoE Arise everyone that sucks God damn here I was thinking hey it would be cool to you know do end game content on SMN and not be stuck giving people PD or EA but I must be a noob lol why didn't I think of how awesome I am in WKR. I mean my god I just love doing those all day..
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  4. #104
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    Being able to erase up to 5-6 debuffs at once, Curaga III or add a 10% Defense Boost / 4% MDT that lasts 6:20 is already good enough for me. Carbuncle is weaker than the other avatars but by no means worthless in our arsenal.

    I'm fine with getting RR, a Light based Sleep/TP reduces BP and an AoE potentially stronger than Thunderspark but as I thought, Cait Sith seems a bit unfinished at the moment, will she ever got an Avatar's Favor aura? Considering most of our useful Blood Pacts have come past the lvl 75 cap (Tidal Roar, Diamond Storm, Earthen Armor, Inferno Howl, Fleet Wind, Night Terror...) I keep hope that she can get 1 or 2 situationally useful BPs later like a strong Piercing or a curing BP. Something that gives Defense Down, Critical hit rate/damage or Regain would be great of course but it's unlikely to me. Divine Favor is also missing, if I recall, it doesn't just removes negative status effects but also gives Alacrity and Manifestation effects in the "Distorter of Time" BC.
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  5. #105
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    Atleast if they give her Divine Favor later down the line she'll have a good use I guess, but Scholars are sure gonna be pissed at summoners, she could also use a tier II regal scratch attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papesse View Post
    Being able to erase up to 5-6 debuffs at once, Curaga III or add a 10% Defense Boost / 4% MDT that lasts 6:20 is already good enough for me. Carbuncle is weaker than the other avatars but by no means worthless in our arsenal.

    I'm fine with getting RR, a Light based Sleep/TP reduces BP and an AoE potentially stronger than Thunderspark but as I thought, Cait Sith seems a bit unfinished at the moment, will she ever got an Avatar's Favor aura? Considering most of our useful Blood Pacts have come past the lvl 75 cap (Tidal Roar, Diamond Storm, Earthen Armor, Inferno Howl, Fleet Wind, Night Terror...) I keep hope that she can get 1 or 2 situationally useful BPs later like a strong Piercing or a curing BP. Something that gives Defense Down, Critical hit rate/damage or Regain would be great of course but it's unlikely to me. Divine Favor is also missing, if I recall, it doesn't just removes negative status effects but also gives Alacrity and Manifestation effects in the "Distorter of Time" BC.
    Healing Ruby II is weaker then curaga III. Shining Ruby def is nice, but MDT doesn't break cap so it's crap unless your DD aren't swapping into DT sets. You only need 21 MDT to cap, that's really easy to get.

    Avatar's Favor lowers avatar attack by 20% and MAB by 20. Get rid of that retarded penalty and then sure, I'd like an Avatar's Favor.
    I was shocked Celestial Avatars didn't get any new DD BPs from 75-99. All we have is nice support stuff, we don't need more support. We need more damage.

    Edit: oh and I forgot, unless you have carbuncle out by the time you actually summon then get into range and actually use soothing ruby you could have cast 2-3 Erases and so could the other healers in your PT. Since you're likely with a PLD and a WHM and probably something else that can erase and your only task is to make sure EA stays up so the PLD doesn't die, using that soothing ruby means you can't do your job for the next 38 seconds if EA goes down and needs to be reapplied.
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    Last edited by Genoxd; 03-08-2014 at 12:27 AM.

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    Or they could just make the avatar favor a native effect when you summon the avatar, instead of making a pet action with a useless penalty, also the favors should effect the avatar.
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  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoxd View Post
    This is hands down the worst thing I have ever heard come out of the dev team. You realize carbuncle is 100% worthless right? It never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever is used on anything ever.

    Thanks for the avatar I will never summon. I was expecting another diabolos, useful but sucks overall, but instead we get another carbuncle lol.
    Isn't that what Cait sith is supposed to be? A replacement for Carbuncle that is actually usable at higher levels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivivivi View Post
    Isn't that what Cait sith is supposed to be? A replacement for Carbuncle that is actually usable at higher levels?
    Sure, instead of at least trying to heal with Carbuncle we'll just let people die and Raise them with Cait Sith! Ahah
    Not gonna happen, unless she gets Erase(ga) and Cure(ga) that don't suck.

    Removing the retarded penalty of Avatar's Favor is long overdue. If anything, the favor should be an automatic aura the Avatar has upon summoning (that affects the avatar itself). No more resets with BPs and scaling in power with time and no more -Atk/MAB. Ain't nobody got time for that.
    I don't think we really need more damaging Blood Pacts, let lv70 physical BPs scale better with levels and I'd be fine. Magic damage is ok now, even if less seconds on the BP timer would be even better.
    Also, remove lunar phase and time of day shenanigans from Fenrir and Diabolos (and make Wards like Noctoshield and Dream Shroud scale better with level/smn. magic).

    We've been saying these things for years now, looking at what we're getting with Cait Sith makes me think the dev has no clue whatsoever.
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  10. #110
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    I don't want a replacement for Carbuncle I like all my avatars, I just want Cait Sith to be more useful than a raise spell.
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