Trust, is extremely annoying

[dasva]

Oh lordy we have a preacher in the forums. If people do things they can't or wont do they must be evil no good cheaters. Burn the witches!

Might be noted but the first dual boxer I met dual boxed with a computer and ps2 at the same time and still did a better job than most players just playing one character. Especially those that would rather call cheat than step up their game. Avesta was doing full gear swaps for every spell and ws and back to idle and full set spams when he was eating tp moves running etc on a ps2 before most of those third party tools were available. Hell if you go back to the old vids of him you can actuallly see him going thru the maccro bars hitting multiple maccros to do 1 thing

[Kwate]

My point being, SE limits you to 6 lines for a mac, if you need to swap more than 6 pieces you need to hit 2 mac buttons, that's not very effective, but again that is subjective. Don't want to derail a thread over a pissing contest.

[Elphy]

My point being, SE limits you to 6 lines for a mac, if you need to swap more than 6 pieces you need to hit 2 mac buttons, that's not very effective, but again that is subjective. Don't want to derail a thread over a pissing contest.

I wasn't trying to start a pissing contest just making a statement lol its all good

I do have to hit ~3 macros for a standard gear swap but over the years I have become so accustomed to it that its second nature.

Frankly with all the problems third party programs can bring to the table I never bothered with them.

[dasva]

My point being, SE limits you to 6 lines for a mac, if you need to swap more than 6 pieces you need to hit 2 mac buttons, that's not very effective, but again that is subjective. Don't want to derail a thread over a pissing contest.

It didn't used to be as bad but awhile back when they updated the maccro bar and stuff it increased the delay it takes to pop up making it take longer to fire off multiple maccros. Still doable but you will lose efficiency compared to swapping all at once. But yes SE really needs to fix that 6 line limit BS. There is no good reason for it especially when you consider the fact just how many peices of gear they introduce that have such small niche uses that they are completely worthless unless you either use some kind of extended maccros or use 2-3 per action and go thru 2-3 maccro bars per job some alot more. I think more people have gone to 3 party tools because of that than anything else. Well except maybe being able to play in windowed mode before SE finally released there version

[Afania]

My point being, SE limits you to 6 lines for a mac, if you need to swap more than 6 pieces you need to hit 2 mac buttons, that's not very effective, but again that is subjective. Don't want to derail a thread over a pissing contest.

You're not starting a pissing contest, you're stating the obvious.

Of course hitting 2 macro is less effective than hitting 1 macro using tools. But for ppl without 3rd pt tool or play on console, hitting 2 macro is the only choice if they want to play decently, and still way more effective than no swap at all. What else do you expect from none 3rd pt tool users? Just don't swap cuz it's not effective?

[Camiie]

Here's a TLDR for the OP: "People play different than me so they are bad and stupid. They should stop and play my way or GTFO."

[mattkoko]

I agree it can be annoying. But I believe Karah handles it the wrong way. It is not trust that annoys me. It is how people use it that annoys me. People now refuse to team up because they have trust NPCs. Trust is suppose to be easier for you when you solo. When you don't have anyone there to help. Now, everyone is doing the same thing but refusing to team up beacue of trust NPCs. I love the idea of the trust system. But the player base abuses it and therefore, pushes players away from each other. It should only be used when teaming up is not an option. But that is just my opinion.

[Karah]

I agree it can be annoying. But I believe Karah handles it the wrong way. It is not trust that annoys me. It is how people use it that annoys me. People now refuse to team up because they have trust NPCs. Trust is suppose to be easier for you when you solo. When you don't have anyone there to help. Now, everyone is doing the same thing but refusing to team up beacue of trust NPCs. I love the idea of the trust system. But the player base abuses it and therefore, pushes players away from each other. It should only be used when teaming up is not an option. But that is just my opinion.

You said it perfectly.

Trust is NOT needed EVERYTIME you go outside town. Yet, that's exactly how it's being used. It's retarded.

Good way to fix it, is to limit it's use.

Would modify the title to "the way people use trust is extremely annoying" but that's semantics.

[Aguro]

I think trust should be restricted and only be allowed when teaming is not an option and should not be allowed when you're just level grinding. I just came back to this game after 4 years and I'm not high level in the slightest. I like to grind levels. The harder a game is the better in my opinion. Leveling is WAY too easy now and I think it takes away from the game. It would be nice to have in certain situations, where fighting a really tough monster solo is virtually impossible, but now I don't even have to look at the screen when I'm fighting. It really makes the game pretty boring.

[Demonjustin]

Once they allow us to use them in parties the teaming up issue should be resolved as well.