PVP!

[CrystalWeapon]

Too many counterpoints about PvP = WoW. :P Yes pvp is a big part of wow but have you played wow do you know the history of the game. It's a completely different animal. Mainly WoW is very solo oriented and has always been "Red vs Blue" by which I mean you have a light side and a dark side. Both sides are constantly at war so PvP is a very big part of their game but PvP is not defined by WoW's definition of PvP.

FFXI has a very different aspect of PvP. In final fantasy it's not you're my enemy you're not the same alliegence as me let's kill one another. It's more of a "Let's see what we can do against one another's setup" it's competitive play it's not bloodlust. By which I mean, I can go with my linkshell and say let's duke it out and test out our jobs vs one another while still being friendly. Going for drinks afterwards and what not. Final Fantasy XI has always been very community oriented and I highly doubt improving PvP would make it magically turn into WoW where you need very little strategy and can lone wolf most things. Long story short if they did take the time to impliment this and you don't like PvP then don't do it, it's not like anyone would twist your arm. It's not like it would even affect you if you're not into PvP to begin with you could just look away :P

Personally I would like to see the battle arena opened and not just made it into PvP I would love to be pitted against PvE with a few friends fighting along side of me with random monsters as the rounds progressed. The option of bigger PvP battles is intriquing but you would need more incentive than what's already in place, it'll have to be something completely different than what we have now.

[Naturebeckles]

Too many counterpoints about PvP = WoW. :P Yes pvp is a big part of wow but have you played wow do you know the history of the game. It's a completely different animal. Mainly WoW is very solo oriented and has always been "Red vs Blue" by which I mean you have a light side and a dark side. Both sides are constantly at war so PvP is a very big part of their game but PvP is not defined by WoW's definition of PvP.

FFXI has a very different aspect of PvP. In final fantasy it's not you're my enemy you're not the same alliegence as me let's kill one another. It's more of a "Let's see what we can do against one another's setup" it's competitive play it's not bloodlust. By which I mean, I can go with my linkshell and say let's duke it out and test out our jobs vs one another while still being friendly. Going for drinks afterwards and what not. Final Fantasy XI has always been very community oriented and I highly doubt improving PvP would make it magically turn into WoW where you need very little strategy and can lone wolf most things. Long story short if they did take the time to impliment this and you don't like PvP then don't do it, it's not like anyone would twist your arm. It's not like it would even affect you if you're not into PvP to begin with you could just look away :P

Personally I would like to see the battle arena opened and not just made it into PvP I would love to be pitted against PvE with a few friends fighting along side of me with random monsters as the rounds progressed. The option of bigger PvP battles is intriquing but you would need more incentive than what's already in place, it'll have to be something completely different than what we have now.

this is a very good post. I don't know about other servers, but on Sylph PvP is pretty much dead. I don't know anybody who does it anymore. It does seem that the developers could do something to revamp it and make it attractive again. But, I don't really see myself doing it any time soon. The few times I have done it, I learned really quick how the strategy to PvP in FFXI is far different than any other aspect of the game - and for that, the challenge of learning it is a bit exciting. The last time I did it, I was proving to another player who isn't the brightest crayon in the box that my war was better than his drk (only because he had no clue how to play his job) and I proceeded to kick him all over the Ballista Brennan Beach.

[Alhanelem]

in Ballista you don't Raise anyone

It's done rarely, but you can raise people. If you do, they do not lose their petras but do get weakened. It's usually not worth it, but in a tight match that's almost over, you can't afford to spend time digging for petras, and it might be worth raising (if you act fast enough).

[Harukusan]

It's done rarely, but you can raise people. If you do, they do not lose their petras but do get weakened. It's usually not worth it, but in a tight match that's almost over, you can't afford to spend time digging for petras, and it might be worth raising (if you act fast enough).

Very true. Not typical but if you can make it to score, it's worth the effort. It's not very easy when the opposing team is heavily guarding the rooks. Unfortunately Caitsith was never really known for the best strategists or organization when it comes to Ballista. Also, Ballista has been dead on Caitsith for a couple years. Since I'm being forced out of my server next major update anyway, I'm considering going to a server of Ballista paradise. We should all just organize a vast migration to one server to keep Ballista alive and strong.

[Mirage]

Open worldwide PVP is far from the same as adding more options for consenting PVP matches.

[Alhanelem]

Open worldwide PVP is far from the same as adding more options for consenting PVP matches.

Someone has never played DotA, Heroes of Newerth or League of Legends.

[Zaknafein]

A centralized area for the "new and improved" PvP matches is very important.

No lvl restrictions, entrance fee gil based, teams not subject to nationality.

Plz for the love of altana no atmas. Give these noobs a reality check.

This would achieve so much more in the way of retention, and grooming new players

than reskinned zones could ever hope to accomplish!

[Musahashi]

PvP doesn't have to be like Wow. We already have a system, and it's a good system. All it needs are some good rewards, and you will see it's revival.

Things SquareEnix need to start working on now, are some level 90+ rewards for PVP, campaign, besieged, conquest, and of course, some extreme awards for capping out your defensive combat skills.

I'm hearing a lot of complaining about everything except abyssea right now, and then people complaining that there isn't anything but abyssea, and your all wrong. What your asking for is already out there, you just haven't found it, or you've found it, but it doesn't reap it's rewards as it once did.

So we all need to stop complaining about SE nuking our game, they're doing because your asking them too. People keep saying, this needs an update, or that needs an update because it's failing. So, they think you mean, it needs an overhaul to make it more interesting, when in fact, you mean it needs better rewards. It's a lack of expression that is killing the game, tell them we need rewards for our efforts, instead of telling them they need an Enix style overhaul for something that Squaresoft produced, and was gold when they did.

[Harukusan]

PvP doesn't have to be like Wow. We already have a system, and it's a good system. All it needs are some good rewards, and you will see it's revival.

You could have stopped there, but you went and pointed out how vaguely expressive people are when it comes to showing what they want. I agree that there is nothing wrong with the way Ballista is, I don't even want more rewards. All I want is the satisfaction of putting noobs with big mouths in their rightful place. Abyssea really spoiled a lot of people. This thread is solely about Ballista. Not any other aspect of this game. Not a comparison between SquareEnix and SquareSoft, we all know Enix came in and screwed everything up. Can't change that.

PvP? pfft. why break hearts unneccesarily. blm one shot you all with firaja 3 and fire staff.

The mechanics of Ballista are very different from the actual game. Damage from nukes and weapon skills, for the most part, have been reduced to attempt to maintain a balance and give some players a chance at survival. Your target has to be an unbuffed Taru SMN wearing gear that reduces HP to one-shot them with a nuke lol. Of course, times are different now, I haven't played BLM in an uncapped match since before all the rising level caps. For all you know, Blizzard V might prove to be quite strong, but I'd imagine players more accustomed to Ballista would be prepared for it.

If you want PvP, go set up a linkshell with other players willing to PvP on a regular basis.

The problem with this is lack of interest on most servers. The point of this thread is to A) catch peoples' interest by explaining to them what Ballista is, and not what it's speculated to be by people who have never been to a Ballista match where people took it seriously. B) if there aren't enough people on any particular server to do Ballista regularly, it may get people to migrate to a server where Ballista is more popular. I know I might. If the server merge is still really going to happen (and I hope they do change their mind) I'll have to see what Ragnarok has to offer in terms of their Ballista scene.

[JagerForrester]

The problem with this is lack of interest on most servers. The point of this thread is to A) catch peoples' interest by explaining to them what Ballista is, and not what it's speculated to be by people who have never been to a Ballista match where people took it seriously. B) if there aren't enough people on any particular server to do Ballista regularly, it may get people to migrate to a server where Ballista is more popular. I know I might. If the server merge is still really going to happen (and I hope they do change their mind) I'll have to see what Ragnarok has to offer in terms of their Ballista scene.

The lack of interest is my point exactly. Players asked for PvP, and they got it. There was even enough hype that SE hosted a "Royal Ramble Ballista Tournament." But after the hype dried up, it became a dead sport. I actually have a wish that unused mini-events are deleted to help free up some space for future updates rather than have it sit there and make them worthwhile again. If they deleted these events for more worthwhile updates, it would benefit the game as a whole. (Covers head for flames)