SKC BCNMs: Very Hard = Impossible?

[Draylo]

The original blurb on this forum was that "you can solo your AF in the very easy battles" I'm sure if you hunt around you will find the quotes of people saying that.
As for the "lazy / you want to be carried" that is just nonsense. I was farming coffer keys for people's AF in 2004~, on my BST. Back when those mobs were not especially easy to solo on most jobs, especially at 1/50~ drop sometimes, I was spending whole days farming the items/NMs for people's AF. I have no problem with effort going into AF. I'm certainly not lazy, with a full-time successful job and two bright kids I'm raising solo.
If you can't see the correlation between some bright spark saying "you fail because you don't have THE best gear" and gear snobbery, then that is your problem. It seems pretty clear cut to me. Also the very notion that ;
YOU NEED LEVEL 119 GEAR TO FARM ARTIFACT UPGRADE ITEMS FOR ARMOR THAT IS MUCH LOWER LVL THAN LVL 119. IS BLOODY STUPID.
I didn't want to solo it either. I asked on three LS, of my peers and long time friends ; "we don't need anything from those bcnms" "we don't have enough SKC's" etc.etc. Plus zero /shouts and most people with SKC are not going to gamble those SKC on a /shout run anyway - which I DO NOT blame them for at all. So having tried to organise a party for weeks, I went and solo'd. And as I was told here "you fail because you don't have THE best gear" ; gear of a mere level 115 on three slots and 113 on the others. Obviously not enough for a "very easy" mode fight, that drops items for gear which is lower level than the gear I was using in the bcnm, lol......
Like I say though, I win on this issue because I tried ; I farmed the SKC, tried to get a party together (on a server with like 300-400 actual players & 200 mules) and failed, tried to solo it with perfectly decent gear, and failed. I win because I gave up on it after trying my best, its a failed system so I walked away, after posting my feedback here.

I honestly do not believe that you shouted for "weeks" and couldn't find two others to help you do Normal or lower difficulty SKCNM. Just stop and think about how people seem to so easily complete this content... Do you ever think about that? Stop being so blinded by jealousy and do a little research. It isn't hard AT ALL to do these, I promise you. Heck, you are even on my server. I can help you do some and show you how easy it is and give you some pointers. If you want send me a tell and we can work something out.

[Sasaraixx]

The original blurb on this forum was that "you can solo your AF in the very easy battles" I'm sure if you hunt around you will find the quotes of people saying that.
As for the "lazy / you want to be carried" that is just nonsense. I was farming coffer keys for people's AF in 2004~, on my BST. Back when those mobs were not especially easy to solo on most jobs, especially at 1/50~ drop sometimes, I was spending whole days farming the items/NMs for people's AF. I have no problem with effort going into AF. I'm certainly not lazy, with a full-time successful job and two bright kids I'm raising solo.
If you can't see the correlation between some bright spark saying "you fail because you don't have THE best gear" and gear snobbery, then that is your problem. It seems pretty clear cut to me. Also the very notion that ;
YOU NEED LEVEL 119 GEAR TO FARM ARTIFACT UPGRADE ITEMS FOR ARMOR THAT IS MUCH LOWER LVL THAN LVL 119. IS BLOODY STUPID.
I didn't want to solo it either. I asked on three LS, of my peers and long time friends ; "we don't need anything from those bcnms" "we don't have enough SKC's" etc.etc. Plus zero /shouts and most people with SKC are not going to gamble those SKC on a /shout run anyway - which I DO NOT blame them for at all. So having tried to organise a party for weeks, I went and solo'd. And as I was told here "you fail because you don't have THE best gear" ; gear of a mere level 115 on three slots and 113 on the others. Obviously not enough for a "very easy" mode fight, that drops items for gear which is lower level than the gear I was using in the bcnm, lol......
Like I say though, I win on this issue because I tried ; I farmed the SKC, tried to get a party together (on a server with like 300-400 actual players & 200 mules) and failed, tried to solo it with perfectly decent gear, and failed. I win because I gave up on it after trying my best, its a failed system so I walked away, after posting my feedback here.

I will not agree with the poster who called you lazy. Babekeke was correct though in that you cannot declare something impossible simply because *you* cannot do it, especially when you do not have the best gear.

And you don't win on the issue . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayA_RAyo6Uo

And that was on normal difficulty. I see shouts for these fights every day. It is absolutely not a failed system. I find it hard to believe that you are unable to find 2-3 people to do the easier fights. They don't also have to have the orb to do the fights btw. That could have been confusion on their part and part of the reason your friends did not want to do them.

[Dragoy]

What comes to the difficulty, more of me was guessing that Very Easy could possibly be a more or less solo treat for someone with level 110-115 things, and less guessing that it would require at least the best of the best.

Why? Well, for one, it's content level 109 on Normal difficulty. Then again... I guess I don't know anything about content levels in general.

For two? Wishful thinking, I guess. I was probably hoping I'd have a shot, which is why I went in and tried without any item level equipment on me. I guess I could do it with some more help, but then I'd feel quite useless indeed, and I rather not have things handed over to me. ^^;

[Monchat]

I find the very hard modes an interresting feature for people testing their strength, and its not penalizing normal players since the same rewards come form lower difficulties battles.

That said, most of the Very difficult SKC 20 battles are actually easy (like everything in the game... it's easy once you know what to do...). Basically those fights are the same as the normal difficulty, except mobs get a boost on HP, evasion and magic evasion. For almost every battles, skirmish DDs, delve weapons, a bard with SV madrigals, is enough to cap you accuracy and you're good as a DD. For mages though, its impossible to sleep mobs reliably with the available iLvl gears (with exceptions...). However taking an ochain PLD is a good alternative. If no PLD, mages subbing BLM for elemental seal sleepga works great anyway.

The only "hard SKC 20" I found are the one with Tonberries, and the one with fomors (and thats because these mobs have annoying TP moves), the others are straightforward: PLD super tanks while DDs kill mobs one by one; or mages ES sleepga in turn while DDs kill one by one... lol. No special strategy needed. And I found the easiest one to be the fight with demons @ throne room.

I beat all the very difficult SCK20 with: BRD/BLMx2, WHM/BLMx2 and MNK/WARx2 (or /NIN). You can do anything with a balanced PT of DDx3 or DDx2+PLD, BRDx2 or BRD+COR or BRD+GEO, healerx1

[MarkovChain]

So me and mdk beat all very hard mode SKC10 or SKC20 NMs. I'm not sure of the point of doing them still. For SKC20 you do get more seals but the risk is not worth this extra +1/2 seal and beside you need one normal batlle anyway, so the fastest and easiest is normal > tough then spam tough. The point of VHM seems that you always get one rare item, sometimes 2, but honestly all the drops seem to suck I'm not sure why they are still worth millions (wut +10seconds on songs seriously?).

For SK10 it's even worse. One of the battles is close to impossible, the other 3 are easy in VHM. VHM doesn't even drop RME upgrade mats. The items suck even more (random elemental evasion rings or capes..).

They all drop a title though, might be something to be used in the future ?

[Zarchery]

This game has always had "impossible" battles. Back in the 75 cap days it was Jailer of Love, Dynamis Lord, Bahamut, and Vrtra to name a few. And they probably were "impossible" to any random pickup group with moderate gear. But they were still defeated fairly regularly by linkshells full of skilled players, with great gear, who worked well together. I haven't done any of these fights on Very Hard, but I imagine it's the same.

[Monchat]

nobody will do those battles after the login point campaign lol. At least I wont. Farming seals is the most boring thing to do.

[FaeQueenCory]

nobody will do those battles after the login point campaign lol. At least I wont. Farming seals is the most boring thing to do.

Rejoice. You're gonna see a BUNCH of people doing them on the 11th and even more on the 12th and onward:
The trade table is being implemented.

[saevel]

Stompa,

You only need that insane gear / buffs on VH mode. On the lower difficulty you can beat it with significantly less gear, which is what SE was aiming for. Someone without access to the best can still acquire their gear if they put in the work. Someone who's already at the top can access the more "challenging" modes to get theirs slightly faster.

Note:
Challenge in FFXI is just using numerically larger states which must be combated with equally larger stats player side, the fight mechanics are the exact same which is kinda sad.

[Camate]

Greetings,

As others have already mentioned in this thread, the necessity for proper gear increases as you go towards the harder difficulty levels. Especially for Very Hard, having the right gear is very important, so if you are having problems challenging this content, try to procure higher level equipment and we think you’ll see a difference.