RME upgrading...

[FaeQueenCory]

Well that is incredibly lame... But at least it's more options for weapons, I guess... and still more content. All in all I'm still pleased with this update.

Overall... me too... sorta. (I'm on the line... But slightly on the side of "pleased" rather than "displeased".)

But making the REM update require Delve wins... kinda defeats the purpose of updating them entirely....
I know the devs made the REMs crap because they didn't understand the basic psychological attachment humans place on things they work on... (ask ppl who made their car about it and then compare to humans who just bought a car... look them in the eyes as they talk about it... I don't remember the term for this phenomenon... but it's connected to nostaglia.)
But having the update require the content that crapped on the REMs...

That kinda intrinsically defeats the purpose of updating them...

What makes me on the pleased side is that the 109AF1 aren't complete crap...
BUT they look like they require full-99-pts for their updating....
And are BCNMs...
I might have 300+ kindred seals.... but....
If it's the random drop like Limbus... (which is what it looks like if I'm reading the notes right)
Then getting the few pieces I want/need is gonna be hell if I don't get them this week. *remembersRUNAF1NMs*

EDIT:

Few questions for you:

-What's wrong with having to do the current hardest content in the game to get the best weapons? You can't be bothered to find your way into an alliance to get a single win?

-Do you even have a level 99 RME? I can't imagine that someone with a level 99 weapon wouldn't have any connections or even be able to merc a win if absolutely necessary.

-Leaders demand MNKs with Oats because there are ton of MNKs out there who have them so they can be picky. If you can't bring that to the table you have to have a support job ready to go. +3 March instrument is hugely important for BRD, not just some little thing. As for SCH, only Apamajas II is a difficult to get. Everything else is just bayld, skirmish, empyrean, and relic gear. You can gear SCH cheaply; stunning is just a skill that takes practice.

I can't speak for that guy, but updating the REMs wasn't about having the best gear in the game.

It was about letting more people be included in Delve, which is currently the ONLY endgame event.

To use your (and his) oats example, which is the strawman, requiring Oats is valid... it's not really different from requiring DDs to have REMs... except that's the difference.
With the REM requirement days, there's 3 different weapons that are roughly equal that are acceptable, this allows for ppl who can't make a mythic to play with everyone because they made a relic (you can exchange all the REM letters and it still holds true.)
The Oats requirement is a little harsher... because 1) it requires the content you're trying to do and 2) there are no viable alternatives.

The REM update, had it not required a Delve win (thank god it only requires one instead of all 3), would have made it so that mnks with a REM could join in and get an Oats if they wanted it.

More people playing on equal footing...

More alternatives to suit the player's taste. (to an extent, right Gungnir?)

The Merit WSs were a wonderful addition because it lessened the demand of REM-only, allowing more people to play together.

And this iLvfication should have done the same: lessen the demand that you've done delve to do delve.

It should have offered more alternatives to ppl to let more ppl be equal.

But instead it funnels the community again.

I have a delve win KI.... but I have no REMs... Should then I just be happy that I have my cake?
No.
Because I know that there are those out there with no Delve wins and a bajillion REMs...
I remember there was even a guy with all but 2 empys... all at 95 or 99...
Requiring Delve is the exact opposite of what made REMs good: The fact that there were multiple paths to the best weapons in the game.

Empy NM farming too daunting/mind numbing? Farm dynamis currency for a Relic!
Dynamis isn't fun for you? Camp NMs to make an Empy!
Alexandrite? Well you can still make an Empy or a Relic!!

But now?
Delve.
You have to do Delve.
You want to not do Delve?
Delve is boring for you?
Delve isn't fun for you?
Too bad.
You have to do Delve.

I only do delve for the gear... I don't enjoy it.
I would rather do Yorcia Weald Skirmish forever than go on more fracture runs...
Or Even do WKRs... because at least WKR doesn't bring out the dbags...
If I could do something I enjoy doing instead of the ONLY endgame...
I would.
But I need the gear from Delve just to be able to gear the jobs I enjoy playing.

And now... The REM owners have this same dilemma.
Ultimately.... this requirement to just flag the upgrade quest is bad.
Because it removes player-choice in how they wanna reach the endgame.

You wanna farm up a Relic?
You wanna camp up an Empy?
You wanna Alexandrite a Mythic?
Too bad.
Go do Delve.

EDIT: cause the post below...
It looks like there IS an alternative to trigger the quest instead of a Delve win.
Good.
Dunno how doable it is... but it's at least an alternative to Delve.
Even if it's using seals...