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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkalinehoe View Post
    No, if you aren't capping haste (and you aren't if you are tping in full Aurore) then Turban and Dusk win. Rapparree should also beat out Aurore body when DDing and most of the time I tank in charis Body +2 which doesn't have EVA on it, so you really don't need Aurore Doublet unless you need the Evasion.

    I'm not sure how many times i have to say this, ACC is a moot point in Abyssea, stop bringing it up lol. So the real comparison is between 6% Haste Vs. Store TP+4. Yeah, don't fulltime aurore.
    And you seem to forget there is more in the game than just abyssea, ranpare harness is pretty much useless inside abyssea as well. Full time aurore if you want, 2% haste is not that important with fully merited haste samba and a 7-9% DA build. Stacking a multi attack build > haste both inside and outside abyssea, with or without atma. I.e. Aurore doublet 2% DA, brutal 5%, twilight belt 2 or 3% (I dont remember right off the top of my head) and 7% haste. Heck even with just a swift belt you are nearing delay cap with merited haste samba along with all the DW- equipment we get with charis body +1/+2, suppanomimi, charis necklace, and auric dagger.

    I agree with charis+2, I'd full time that if I had it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anethia View Post
    And you seem to forget there is more in the game than just abyssea, ranpare harness is pretty much useless inside abyssea as well. Full time aurore if you want, 2% haste is not that important with fully merited haste samba and a 7-9% DA build. Stacking a multi attack build > haste both inside and outside abyssea, with or without atma. I.e. Aurore doublet 2% DA, brutal 5%, twilight belt 2 or 3% (I dont remember right off the top of my head) and 7% haste. Heck even with just a swift belt you are nearing delay cap with merited haste samba along with all the DW- equipment we get with charis body +1/+2, suppanomimi, charis necklace, and auric dagger.

    I agree with charis+2, I'd full time that if I had it.
    How is Rapparree useless in Abyssea? Ok first off, you are not telling me that stacking DA is superior to stacking Haste, because it isn't. Why do you bring up other pieces of gear? We were talking about body slots. Ultimately, it's 4% Haste Vs. Store TP+4 (When you don't need the ACC or EVA), Rapp wins. When you need the EVA, obviously you should use Aurore. But there is no reason you should be full timing it.

    Also, how you are "nearing" the delay cap?

    1. Assuming you're full timing aurore set with that Swift Belt, you're only hitting 15% haste, Still missing 11% haste to cap. If you're using Twilight, that's 18% Haste, still missing another 7%. Now, Rapp+W Turban+Swift+Dusk Gloves will give you 17% haste w/ Swift, 20% with Twilight. Still no where near gear haste cap.
    2. You do realize Auric Dagger is a shitty dagger to begin with? It's only real use is for Subtle Blow, which is pretty easy to cap now a days without anyways. It's low damage and high delay really aren't worth it for 5% delay reduction, especially when you can cap delay reduction without it.
    3. Dual Wield is not superior to haste. They both make you attack faster but DW lowers the amount of TP gained per hit, haste does not. Capping gear haste should be your priority.
    4. Haste benefits get larger as you add more haste, Double/Triple attack do not. Stacking haste is better.
    5. I don't full time Charis body+2, don't put words into my mouth. I swap when necessary, but most times when tanking the EVA isn't necessary, especially when you have a WHM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anethia View Post
    And you seem to forget there is more in the game than just abyssea, ranpare harness is pretty much useless inside abyssea as well. Full time aurore if you want, 2% haste is not that important with fully merited haste samba and a 7-9% DA build.
    The truth is, the more haste you add, the more each additional piece of haste is even more valuable. (See Below)

    Quote Originally Posted by Anethia View Post
    Stacking a multi attack build > haste both inside and outside abyssea, with or without atma. I.e. Aurore doublet 2% DA, brutal 5%, twilight belt 2%[...] and 7% haste.
    First, you can have both.... Just because you use haste in your body slot doesnt' mean you can't use Brutal earring. They way you present your information is a false dichotomy; it's not either/or. You're sacrificing 4% haste for 2% Double attack. Period.

    As stated above, the more haste you add, the more value haste has. Where Double Attack suffers form diminishing returns.

    Best illustrated in extremes:

    100 hits:

    25% DA = 125 hits.
    25% Haste = 133 Hits.

    50% DA = 150 hits.
    50% Haste = 200 hits.

    75% DA = 175 hits.
    75% Haste = 400 Hits.

    80% DA = 180 hits.
    80% Haste = 500 hits.

    It's not intuitive, but haste is a reduction in the time between actions, not an increase in the amount of actions.

    At 50% haste, you're removing 1/2 the delay, meaning, you're able to do 2 actions in the same time.

    At 80% delay reduction(capped, reference for below), you've reduced the time between actions to a mere 20% of the original, meaning you can do 5x as much in the same time.

    And you can see, the difference between 75% delay reduction and 80% is a 100% increase in hit rate. That's only 5% haste. Rapparee COULD be that 5%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anethia View Post
    Heck even with just a swift belt you are nearing delay cap with merited haste samba along with all the DW- equipment we get with charis body +1/+2, suppanomimi, charis necklace, and auric dagger.
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anethia View Post
    I agree with charis+2, I'd full time that if I had it.
    The only accurate advice in your entire post.
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    Last edited by Frost; 03-29-2011 at 02:08 PM.
    If you don't understand why Haste is so important, or if you don't think it is:
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1847-Haste-and-You...-A-guide-to-the-misinformed.