Item level / vertical progression query

[Zumi]

If you like vertical gear progression, FFXIV is that way---------------->

You argued that vergical gear progression is "more modern and better", but it's not, it's just different model that works differently. It's not better nor worse, just different.

If you often visit major mmorpg gaming website like mmorpg.com, many players there hated vertical gear progression like how you hate FFXI system, if it's really "better", then everyone should love it no?

I can name many disadvantages of vertical gear progression model too:

1. You can't do next tier of content until you have current tier gears. GL spamming same content over and over and unable to do different stuff until this tier is over. It's boring as fuck IMO.

2. A gap between community. I can only play with players on same tier, because there's no reason to back and farm lower tier lv gears. If my friends/LS mate want to do tier 1 content, and I'm on tier 2, I see no reason to go back and play with them.

3. Vertical gear progression makes old content extremely boring after you climbed to certain tier. Right now in FFXIV majority of players in XIV can kill garuda HM in 6 min, or beat WP(a 90 min dungeon) in less than 10 min. If I go back to solo salvage 75, I can still die if I'm careless and pull too many mobs that I still have to focus and pay attention, that makes the content more fun to do as long as there's a reason to do it. Personally I don't find facerolling WP in less than 15 min(again, a 90 min dungeon) is fun at all.

4. You don't really need to climb everything, you can have just have someone carry you and start from highest tier. That killed the sense of character progression.

Also you're fooling yourself if you think nobody wants to do content if it's sidegrade, gear swap system/sidegrade and situational useful gears is exactly what keeps old content alive. Vertical progression model is something that WILL kill old content fast. Players still do limbus2/Odin2 for maybe 1~2 pieces of gears before SoA, now nobody do them anymore.

The point of FFXI system is that your character grow as you collect as many situational gears as possible, that's how your character get strong. A job with 10 gear set is much stronger than 1 gear set. Most of the gear remain useful for very long time, not just a ticket to next tier content, that's what makes FFXI fun.

If you like to faceroll old content in god mode with gears 3 tiers higher, just play FFXIV. And please keep XI the way it was so whoever enjoys old XI can keep playing XI and vertical gear progression fans/wow fans go play XIV. One of the worst thing in XI community is players wanting XI to become next wow and bitch at dev for not turning FFXI into WoW, and when real wow clone FFXIV released they just end up playing XIV anyways, now whoever likes old XI has no game to play because XI is slowly turning into WoW lol.



tl;dr:

Nobody want to play FFXI in WOW mode, those who wanted WoW in FF style are playing XIV, those loved old FFXI can't tolerate current XI. This game is dying because it's turning into WoW, and it's not appealing anyone since whoever wanted vertical progression are playing XIV already.

I do play FFXIV honestly I think its a great game but I already capped out almost everything there is to do in it. It's just a difference of opinion I know people who quit FFXI because of side grades and there was no gear progression. I am very happy with the way FFXI is now, I don't see anyone in my LS complaining about it. They even updating relics/empyreans/mythic because people complained about it. Also I can distinctly remember lots of people complaining about how there were too many side grades in the game. Most of the people who didn't like upgrades quit when the level cap was raised I thought because abyssea was direct upgrades to gear.

SoA is really no different then Abyssea just the power level gap is bigger this time around. I think they wanted to raise the level cap again but they couldn't due to PS2 limitations.

Also 10 min WP is only beatable by a very small fraction I mean less then .1% of the population and takes a very specific set up, pld, whm, brd, blm. 2 dps classes that are very good at aoe. I done it countless times and have darklight for every class, but the majority of the playerbase does not have the ability to do this. This is only accomplished by taking those 4 jobs geared with at least some ilvl 90 gear.

If you don't want to help people get on the same tier as you, then your obviously not a good friend/ls member. When abyssea came out I helped a lot of friends get caught up with seals and +2s.

Lots of people are fine with the upgardes they just don't sit here and complain about it on the forums.

[predatory]

I do play FFXIV honestly I think its a great game but I already capped out almost everything there is to do in it. It's just a difference of opinion I know people who quit FFXI because of side grades and there was no gear progression. I am very happy with the way FFXI is now.

You don't see the irony in this at all do you? You're paying for two games, and you want them to be exactly the same, and bedamned to us who don't want to play ffxiv

[leorez]

You don't see the irony in this at all do you? You're paying for two games, and you want them to be exactly the same, and bedamned to us who don't want to play ffxiv

They also dont realize that this sharp vertical climb is what made them say "but I already capped out almost everything there is to do in it". Thats what that style of progression does, it quickly makes everything useless, turning it quickly into a single event game that people get sick of really fast. The beauty of FFXI was that there was so much endgame to do...because all the events provided gear that was useful, even if slight upgrades happened, you could be just as effective if you did the older one (as for how it is now, your not nearly effective enough so you need to be left out).

It seems Zumi loves XIV's style of game....thats great, so play it and play the 100s of games exactly like it with its style of progress that are out on the market. Your wasting your time on XI if thats the type of gameplay you like. I just want what made FFXI great back then along with many of my old friends who all pretty much quit because of its crap.

[Afania]

I do play FFXIV honestly I think its a great game but I already capped out almost everything there is to do in it. It's just a difference of opinion I know people who quit FFXI because of side grades and there was no gear progression. I am very happy with the way FFXI is now, I don't see anyone in my LS complaining about it. They even updating relics/empyreans/mythic because people complained about it. Also I can distinctly remember lots of people complaining about how there were too many side grades in the game. Most of the people who didn't like upgrades quit when the level cap was raised I thought because abyssea was direct upgrades to gear.

SoA is really no different then Abyssea just the power level gap is bigger this time around. I think they wanted to raise the level cap again but they couldn't due to PS2 limitations.

Also 10 min WP is only beatable by a very small fraction I mean less then .1% of the population and takes a very specific set up, pld, whm, brd, blm. 2 dps classes that are very good at aoe. I done it countless times and have darklight for every class, but the majority of the playerbase does not have the ability to do this. This is only accomplished by taking those 4 jobs geared with at least some ilvl 90 gear.

If you don't want to help people get on the same tier as you, then your obviously not a good friend/ls member. When abyssea came out I helped a lot of friends get caught up with seals and +2s.

Lots of people are fine with the upgardes they just don't sit here and complain about it on the forums.

Don't worry, if you want more vertical progression MMORPG I can find 10 more titles for you, do you want western style or anime style?

And leave FFXI alone ty I want to get my ass kicked by lv 90 rabbits, I don't want to kill Tojil +5 NM in 5 min after 6 months

And you do realize it's just the matter of time for 50% of population to do sub 10 min WP run right? Because of vertical gear progression. Players don't have more than a few pieces of IL90 because of mythology cap and coil lock out, wait for 2 months everyone and their mother, brother, grandpa and grandma can beat it in 10 min.

You stated that "you're happy with the way FFXI is now", you do know that majority of the players who QQ here are done with the game too, due to nothing else to work on. So how can you be happy with a game ppl have nothing to do?

I only log on 2~3 days a week to play FFXIV now, since I can finish coil 1~4+ mythology cap in 2~3 night(hardcore can finish it in 1 day, inb4 go do T5). It's really hard for me to say "I'm happy with current XIV now", when I paid $10 a month and only get to play 2~3 night a week. This applies to XI. And it's all because of vertical gear progression.

Lol at "you must be bad LS member/friend if you don't do lower tier", you don't understand human nature I guess. I'm talking about human nature, even if you're awesome and want to help, doesn't mean everyone else gonna help.

More importantly, there are no sense of accomplishment in both games because gears are ass easy to obtain and doesn't last long. SoA is no different from Abyssea, and I'm never a big fan of Abyssea. Sadly SoA is even worse than Abyssea, at least Abyssea still has gear variety, unlike SoA gears are like same stat for every piece, just 1 better than another.

There are ppl who will like 75 XI, and some ppl like WoW model/vertical gear progression. But you can't assume everyone has same opinion as you and vertical gear progression is zomg the best solution to every MMO title. People complained about sidegrade, is like husband complained about their wife lol. They stick with their wife for too long and only see the bad part about it, and everyone else's wife are perfect. Vertical gear progression has it's issues, some ppl either don't see it or willing to accept it.

But there's no reason for XI to change to vertical gear progression, the entire game mechanics are based on gear swap and situational gears, it simply won't work very unless there's a remake.

Stop trying to change FFXI into wow, it's going to kill the game. If you like WoW model, build a new game or find a new game to play. Do you go to Diablo 3 forum and ask the dev change the game into WoW? No. So why are you asking FFXI to follow WoW model?