Excited for November's update!

[Tennotsukai]

IMO, it's not OP, and I have been told it does not make too much of a difference on new end game bosses due to -dt. I will agree though, anything is better than nothing.

[FaeQueenCory]

You sure about that?

Sure makes it sound like there's going to be an item required. The other way to interpret it is that they are adjusting VW, Dynamis, and PW somehow to make it easier to obtain the level 99 version.

LoL japanese is awkward.
That's in reference to the actual magian trials to upgrade the stuff from 75-99-2.
It's a little hard to read.... but it looks like that it only applied to the WoE weapons?
Or maybe it applies to all magian trials...
But what is obvious is that the current trials... are getting revamped.

What does that mean?
Well... I have no idea.
It seems like the numbers are getting lowered....
But maybe the numbers aren't getting lowered and the NMs involved are getting their repop timers lowered....

Japanese is awkward like this.

EDIT: Lemme just break it up a bit by content.

To upgrade them we will not be making a new Trial of the Magians.

We'll be making adjustments so that certain content is not overcrowded for this by having multiple ways to obtain the items you need to upgrade these weapons.

A comma was used... but I would have used a period or semi-colon... because it makes clear the separation of ideas.

This is the problem with Japanese>>>english.
Both do stupid things...
Japanese doesn't say 90% of what it means... (do you know the difference between "wanna get something to eat" "do you want something to eat" and "wanna try my food"? there is none! They just say the verb "eat".... THEY DON'T EVEN USE THE QUESTION MARK SOUND... I know German... so... this kinda thing bugs the hell out of me about Japanese... forget anything you learn in your class... people don't talk or write in full sentences!)
And English is German trying to operate under Latin grammar rules...
So... things get really dumb when commas show up... because we either use or read them wrong 99% of the time.

Japanese is 100% nuance and context.
German is 100% empirical and complete.
English is 50% of nuance and flat statement.... So translating these two into English is... horrible.
There is just so much that just doesn't work in either... so we make do.
But because Japanese is nothing but nuance... We kinda have to remove the nuance when we translate it... if that makes any sense...

This is getting weird for me to explain...
I need to sleep. Sorry for the rant, but I hope I explained stuff enough so if you don't know Japanese, English and German semi to full fluently... you learned something.

[detlef]

Slycer's translation is pretty clear but hey, maybe it's up for interpretation:

In regards to the method of upgrading the weapon, it will not take the form of a new Magian trial; it will be necessary to obtain items which will obtaintable in multiple ways, in order to avoid concentrating players to specific content.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/112...=1#post5925603

[FaeQueenCory]

Slycer's translation is pretty clear but hey, maybe it's up for interpretation:



http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/112...=1#post5925603

Yes!! See! A semicolon!
That's different than a comma and a conjunction.
At least in english.

The fact that you would cite this is... odd.
It's clear from this that these two statements are separate.
So why would you think that they aren't.

This is why I shy away from using commas when dealing with conjoined sentences.

It's also clear from that announcement that the 99 and 99-2 REMs are just poofing to 119iLv.

Your cited revisions to their upgrades obviously is directed at the current magian trials being changed...
To what exactly.... who knows.

Currently all we have is "we're changing them"...
And it's not clear if they are simply lowering numbers... or doing something bigger like lowering the repop time of the required NMs.
It's to make it so there's less competition... so it could be either.
Or it could be something entirely different that we know nothing about.

EDIT post shower:
hmmm.... Japanese annoys the hell out of me.
For the fact that they don't say their words!
It's the German in me...
But thinking about it in the shower... I can see your confusion.
And that fact throws doubt into my mind...

I still think that it's an insta-poof type thing... but it might be something as stupidly simple as a translurry KI trade...
If you think pronouns can be confusing in English.... Japanese rarely ever uses them to be confusing to begin with. >:S

Though I'm still reading the original as "the update won't take a thing to do. we're also making them less competitive to get to 99".

[Kincard]

Blu has another spell that does -40 acc and silence that AoE.

If you're talking about Auroral Drape, that's a blind effect and not an accuracy down effect. If you want them to adjust Hecatomb Wave for all those times you use that I suppose you can go ahead and complain about that as well and I'd no complaints. Honestly, I'm not against them making Barbed Crescent useful either, I'm just pointing out that there seems to be some kind of actual reasoning to the blue magic spells that continue to remain broken.

As for Tourbillion, it is rather potent but unlike the all might angon, it can miss and be resisted.

Isn't the entire complaint that it gets resisted way too much? They either adjust it so that it's consistent enough to be useful or nobody will ever use it (You don't plan strategies around an ability that will only work a small percentage of a time), so this statement makes no sense in the context of assuming that they'll actually bother adjusting it.

The ways I can think of to implement it are:
1. Give a heavy dStat and/or Blue Magic Skill mod for the def-% so you can't just have anyone cast it and have it outdo what was supposed to be a unique Dragoon ability
2. Make it a bit weaker, as other have mentioned
3. Just increase the accuracy and put it in as-is and piss off DRGs worldwide (not like they havent done stuff like that before)
I do agree they should at least give some kind of statement about it since the way it is it just looks like they forgot about it. For the record even if they ever did No.2 people would probably complain anyway, because if you really wanted to DEF Down using your UL you could use Bilgestorm right now and that lands decently, and it gives some other stuff as a bonus.

[Traxus]

Tourbillion never worked on live servers, and the update that added it broke spells that worked fine up until that point (sandspin, hecatomb wave, etc.), which you aren't going to convince anyone were nerfed for balance purposes.

As for bilgestorm, the duration is awful. It lasts like 30s (maybe less?) unresisted.

[Tennotsukai]

If you're talking about Auroral Drape, that's a blind effect and not an accuracy down effect. If you want them to adjust Hecatomb Wave for all those times you use that I suppose you can go ahead and complain about that as well and I'd no complaints. Honestly, I'm not against them making Barbed Crescent useful either, I'm just pointing out that there seems to be some kind of actual reasoning to the blue magic spells that continue to remain broken.


Isn't the entire complaint that it gets resisted way too much? They either adjust it so that it's consistent enough to be useful or nobody will ever use it (You don't plan strategies around an ability that will only work a small percentage of a time), so this statement makes no sense in the context of assuming that they'll actually bother adjusting it.

The ways I can think of to implement it are:
1. Give a heavy dStat and/or Blue Magic Skill mod for the def-% so you can't just have anyone cast it and have it outdo what was supposed to be a unique Dragoon ability
2. Make it a bit weaker, as other have mentioned
3. Just increase the accuracy and put it in as-is and piss off DRGs worldwide (not like they havent done stuff like that before)
I do agree they should at least give some kind of statement about it since the way it is it just looks like they forgot about it. For the record even if they ever did No.2 people would probably complain anyway, because if you really wanted to DEF Down using your UL you could use Bilgestorm right now and that lands decently, and it gives some other stuff as a bonus.

Auroral drape still negates 40 acc..read 60 acc from wiki, but nonetheless; your points are rather invalid. All these additional effects don't remain broke primarily based on tourbillion being too good either. That would not make any sense. I'd love it if SE actually came out and said that though for lols.

Again, the spell works perfectly on the test server as do the others, but on the live servers each of these broken abilities' proc rate remain floored no matter what.

also bilgestorm sucks...just sayin. Short duration with a def down that benthic already offers. K... the other stat downs can be decent but no one cares about them.

Sometimes blu spells just rock while some don't. Lol look at cocoon, that spell is amazing! Then look at feather barrier. I hate you feather barrier! If people complain, let them. This spell is in the game whether they like it or not. If anyone should complain, it's blu's for getting f'd over on this for 4 years.

I apologize if this seems somewhat a derivative reply, but too many people resist these posts aimed at community reps just because idk lol... It's really annoying to deal with though.

[Kincard]

Tourbillion never worked on live servers, and the update that added it broke spells that worked fine up until that point (sandspin, hecatomb wave, etc.), which you aren't going to convince anyone were nerfed for balance purposes.

My point is exactly why would it work on the Test Servers and not on the live servers if it wasn't an intentional adjustment they made to the spell before they implemented it? I guess it's possible they just screwed the spaghetti code somewhere when they copy pasted their test server data over to the real servers. Also I don't see why I'd have a hard time convincing anyone they adjusted anything for inane "balance" issues given that they've done it continuously over the years. These are the same people who think Treasure Hunter balances out Thief's crappy DPS.

Auroral drape still negates 40 acc..read 60 acc from wiki

I'm saying that's not relevant when it's not the same spell effect because accuracy down and blind effects can stack with each other. I also can't find any source for where this -60 figure comes from. I admit that if the -60 figure is accurate that's kinda crazy, but of course it was added back when they were discussing adding some kind of level 99 merit point system so maybe they were planning on giving RDM Blind III at some point. lolidunno

If people complain, let them. This spell is in the game whether they like it or not. If anyone should complain, it's blu's for getting f'd over on this for 4 years.

I'm mostly peeved that you decided to create a general thread for excitement for the next update and decided to head it off by spending most of your post talking about something that's not only not even relevant to the update but has been complained about numerous times and often in better detail on other parts of the forum (like the bug section where its actually relevant). This is coming from someone who loves to bash the XI dev team for continuously doing nonsensical things. Also, what? Tourbilion hasn't been in the game for 4 years, or even half that time.

Really if there's an update-related complaint anyone can voice it's SMNs and them still not getting Cait Sith despite it being promised and teased at for forever. It even had a video preview of it at one point, I don't even play SMN or think Cait Sith would be in any way useful and I still feel insulted.

[detlef]

Though I'm still reading the original as "the update won't take a thing to do. we're also making them less competitive to get to 99".

So if they're saying that RME will continue to be upgraded in the future, I'd say it's 99% guaranteed that it'll take some work to keep them up to snuff.

[FaeQueenCory]

So if they're saying that RME will continue to be upgraded in the future, I'd say it's 99% guaranteed that it'll take some work to keep them up to snuff.

Assuming they are. But it looks more like 119 is the cap we're getting.
Which I for one find wonderful.
I don't think we need anymore instantly outdated content. (thinking about the bayld gear)

EDIT:

Really if there's an update-related complaint anyone can voice it's SMNs and them still not getting Cait Sith despite it being promised and teased at for forever. It even had a video preview of it at one point, I don't even play SMN or think Cait Sith would be in any way useful and I still feel insulted.

Thanks for this smn support.... but.... Have you met our Light summon? Carbuncle....
>:[
Cait Sith is a godsend.... especially if that last Nakuaal is gonna be dark alined...

But I have to disagree on one thing: BLUs have every right to be offput by their spell not working.
And they should in no way be discouraged from voicing that disenfranchisement.
If ppl hadn't complained about the BS of REMs getting janked... we wouldn't be getting them 119ified.
And them getting 119ified is a godsend to the populace.
(so long as the +30% dmg doesn't trash the Delve Mega Boss drops... I just want more ppl to be able to play together...)