Staff trials

[Effilil]

Honestly, I end up using smn outside aby more than within it, so for me, the perp- and bp delay- are actually useful, esp since I tote around enough other gear to fill both sack and satchel...most of it crafting items and field/fishing gear
I really do hope they make a +3 or higher version of the staves that make them even more worthwhile to get.
and as for other gear, I would prefer to use 1 set of armor/accessories for each job....as a levle 90 whm, gear swap macroes annoy the **** out of me, so I try to find the most balanced gear set for each job (though I am odd enough to use full af/relic setson every job I level) For those who think swapping gear for everything...if you can't do the job with crap gear, you can't do the job at all
there's 1 more reason to do the trials....farming....you can make alot of gil selling the cheap drops or crafting them into better things (and for some of us, gil doesn't come 1 mil at a time...more like 100 at a time...curse my lousy drop luck...3 payoffs out of 500+bcnms ><)

[Frodnon]

I really do hope they make a +3 or higher version of the staves that make them even more worthwhile to get.
and as for other gear, I would prefer to use 1 set of armor/accessories for each job....as a levle 90 whm, gear swap macroes annoy the **** out of me, so I try to find the most balanced gear set for each job (though I am odd enough to use full af/relic setson every job I level) For those who think swapping gear for everything...if you can't do the job with crap gear, you can't do the job at all

That is a horribly pathetic and lazy excuse for completely gimping yourself, your damage output, your healing output(as whm), and your buffs across both jobs. For all players out there, don't be this person.

As for the best Idle staff? An Atk/acc crozier is best for damage, and because of /rdm, self refresh and siphons, we can afford to sacrifice some -perp for main slotting attack when kiting. I'd rather put the hours and hours of grinding for the 9 perp magians into getting a crozier, full caller's +2, finishing wotg, and getting gear like serpentes set, and the brygid diaper.


As for the Cost of mythic, going rate on currency across all servers is 3k to 5k, 3k puts it at 90m, and each 1k over per is an additional 30m at final price.

[Effilil]

That is a horribly pathetic and lazy excuse for completely gimping yourself, your damage output, your healing output(as whm), and your buffs across both jobs. For all players out there, don't be this person.

As for the best Idle staff? An Atk/acc crozier is best for damage, and because of /rdm, self refresh and siphons, we can afford to sacrifice some -perp for main slotting attack when kiting. I'd rather put the hours and hours of grinding for the 9 perp magians into getting a crozier, full caller's +2, finishing wotg, and getting gear like serpentes set, and the brygid diaper.


As for the Cost of mythic, going rate on currency across all servers is 3k to 5k, 3k puts it at 90m, and each 1k over per is an additional 30m at final price.

1: I don't gimp myself on any job, I find the best balance for the playstyle I use, and my plastyle is not your playstyle. My whm has gear that increases cure potency, while not diminishing buffs. My smn has actually outdamaged most DDs outside of aby, where I use it most. Just because I choose not to min/max myself doesn't make me lazy or pathetic...it means I put thought into my gameplay and don't try to just max out everything, and thus get pissed off when I get agro and die because the whm can't heal me fast enough (which alot of players have done to me)

2: I didn't say I wasn't going to make att/acc staves later, or that I hadn't made them already...I just like doing quests, and it really is nice to have something else going while I'm out farming high end and high gil items. Also, you forgot how nice convert is on /rdm meaning you can keep an avatar out even longer

3: what makes you think 120 million gil isn't expensive? and did you take ichors into account? as well as all the quests you have have to put time and effort into, redoing all the Assault missions. The actual cost for gaining a mythic isn't just gil, but several months spent grinding it all out. I can do 1 staff in 3-4 days, meaning I can have all the satves in less time than getting Nirvana and taking it through the trials would take.

Don't think I'm saying my style of playing is the right or only way to play...it's MY way of playing
Sometimes I just like to toss on my RSE, summon an avatar and run around while farming ingredints for crafting (yes I do farm on thief, I just like to mix it up once in a while) I also fish on smn, and having an avatar out whle fishing means I
don't lose fishing time having to fight a mob, especially on ferries.
Currency prices have actually risen on my server, as have alex prices because people just don't DO those endgame events anymore. ALex is actually up to 7k+ and dynamis currency is up to 10k for singles.

I may sound defensive, but it really irks me that people seem to think there's only one way to play and anyone who disagrees is wrong. I think, plan and work for what I feel is best for my style of playing, and if that's wrong, I don't want to be right and play a cookie-cutter character.

[Frodnon]

1: I don't gimp myself on any job,

Yes you do. wearing only one set nonstop completely trashes everything summoner. Gearswapping flat out improves every job in the game. It is, literally, exactly as bad as a melee who wears only TP gear when he WSes, or decides he should fulltime STR rings.

2: RDM

i believe the line "and because of /rdm" covers that.

3: price wah-wah

I never said 90m isn't expensive, I only stated the price range of it, which based on server is 90m to 150m. that's for alexandrite only.

[Effilil]

Yes you do. wearing only one set nonstop completely trashes everything summoner. Gearswapping flat out improves every job in the game. It is, literally, exactly as bad as a melee who wears only TP gear when he WSes, or decides he should fulltime STR rings.

I have multiple gear sets for my main jobs, and use them as the situation demands it. I just choose not to swap for every little thing. I also didn't say gear swapping was bad, just that I choose not to do it. The real trick to what I do with gear is I BALANCE it, so I don't NEED to gearswap everything. I also have yet to meet a summoner who swaps more than the staff they use for pets.
Also, your statement does just prove my final point that if I'm not playing YOUR way, I'm playing wrong, which truthfully, will only start a fight that neither side can win, because it comes down simply to "that's your opinion, not mine" and opinions are always very different.

i believe the line "and because of /rdm" covers that.

accepted, but it is still a valid point.

I never said 90m isn't expensive, I only stated the price range of it, which based on server is 90m to 150m. that's for alexandrite only.

the problem there is that my server has fewer people selling alexandrite because fewer people are doing the events that you get it in, so the price has gone up...and the cost in time is still fairly high as opposed to making a few staves through trials, and it's the time factor that really matters, not the gil. There's also the problem of finding interested people to join you. I hate spending more than an hour finding people to do something that takes less time than getting people to go to it...and you end up with the person that quits after 1 death as often as not.....

[Drhatchet]

OP:

Easiest way to do them is ask a BLM friend come along and blow things up for you. Took me 3 hours to get through half of the undead for Garuda staff, a RDM came out and Aero IVed down the rest in 40ish min.

People aruging about min/maxing and/or the perp staves:

The perp staves are a good investment if you are a hard core smn. If you play smn casually, you can live without them. They are far and away MINIMALLY the best macro piece in the slot with -10 bp delay (swaping into a MAB/ATT staff afterward). If you like melee smn, the staves have fairly high base damage, and let you wear other gear focusing away from perp to increase other useful stats like haste, acc, and stp.