FFXI R/M/E Thoughts:

[FaeQueenCory]

Can you point me in the direction where Matsui says that? Genuinely curious.

Honestly.... I would really love to.... but it was FOREVER ago.
And since I am not crazy... I never thought it would be buried in the forums long enough to be saved...
Who knew that that would be the only word about the update for half a year.... T_T

But basically: Matsui used the one-handed swords for comparisons.
Burtang was updated to be 1dmg less than Buramenkah. (thusly, 119 level)
And Excalibur and Almace were a sizeable drop of dmg below them... (I wanna say 20pts... but it might have been as high as -30dmg...) so that's basically equivalent to Halahuinic... but slightly better. So really it's possible (even probable) to put them at 115ish instead of 113. I just used the second best swords as an iLv comparrison.

Matsui only gave #dmg and delay... this was like a month before the whole stick fake skill on stuff update... so... yeah.
But I remember that Burtang was -1dmg from Buramenkah, and Excalibur and Almace were a tier lower.

The iLv association is my own doing. (though I feel that stating mythics will be 119 isn't any different than what Matsui said.)

Again, sorry I can't find the post exactly... it's been buried under a half-year's posts.

R/M/E were all relatively equal, in general;

Except not. Mythics have always been the largest reward for the largest time invested.
Relics and Empys are pretty much the same. Just different kinds of time sunk into them. (farming $ vs farming chunks of monsters)
But Mythics have pretty much 100% completion of ToAU as a starting point.

And Matsu HAS give us a statement.... but it was forever ago and only dealt with the base damage because it was before the fake skill update.
Yeah. THAT long ago.
Mythics will be equal to the Delve Mega Boss weapons.
Relics and Empys will be below them, but still viable.

[Demon6324236]

Honestly.... I would really love to.... but it was FOREVER ago.
And since I am not crazy... I never thought it would be buried in the forums long enough to be saved...
Who knew that that would be the only word about the update for half a year.... T_T

But basically: Matsui used the one-handed swords for comparisons.
Burtang was updated to be 1dmg less than Buramenkah. (thusly, 119 level)
And Excalibur and Almace were a sizeable drop of dmg below them... (I wanna say 20pts... but it might have been as high as -30dmg...) so that's basically equivalent to Halahuinic... but slightly better. So really it's possible (even probable) to put them at 115ish instead of 113. I just used the second best swords as an iLv comparrison.

Matsui only gave #dmg and delay... this was like a month before the whole stick fake skill on stuff update... so... yeah.
But I remember that Burtang was -1dmg from Buramenkah, and Excalibur and Almace were a tier lower.

The iLv association is my own doing. (though I feel that stating mythics will be 119 isn't any different than what Matsui said.)

Again, sorry I can't find the post exactly... it's been buried under a half-year's posts.


Except not. Mythics have always been the largest reward for the largest time invested.
Relics and Empys are pretty much the same. Just different kinds of time sunk into them. (farming $ vs farming chunks of monsters)
But Mythics have pretty much 100% completion of ToAU as a starting point.

And Matsu HAS give us a statement.... but it was forever ago and only dealt with the base damage because it was before the fake skill update.
Yeah. THAT long ago.
Mythics will be equal to the Delve Mega Boss weapons.
Relics and Empys will be below them, but still viable.

Firstly, Mythics used to be the weakest of the 3 for a few jobs, you needed to use horrible WSs and had to save up 300% TP just to get your best effects from it. Even after merit WSs, it wasn't always to great, many still suffered and sucked. Mythics have always been the hardest, but since Empyrean weapons came out, they were hardly the best for most jobs, only really PUP & DRG have always been best.

Excalibur

DMG: 73 Delay: 233 Attack+40 "Knights of Round" Additional effect: Damage varies with HP
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DMG: 121 Delay: 233 Attack+60 Accuracy+20 "Knights of Round" Additional effect: Damage varies with HP

Burtgang

DMG: 73 Delay: 264 Enmity+18 Physical damage taken -18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage. "Atonement" Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. Attacks twice or thrice
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DMG: 131 Delay: 264 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 Enmity+18 Physical damage taken -18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage. "Atonement" Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. Attacks twice or thrice

Almace

DMG: 70 Delay: 224 DEX+20 "Chant du Cygne" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
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DMG: 114 Delay: 224 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 DEX+20 "Chant du Cygne" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage

This is the post your talking about, and no, the reason Burt is 10 DMG higher is it has 31 Delay more than Excalibur, that's it, a trade off. They are weaker than 119s in DMG but better cause of ODD, Attack, and Acc, so after the skill is added & such, RMEs should be better than 119 weapons because of ODD, but not in base DMG.

In either case, if this was your post to say its 113 R/Ms and 119 Empyreans, consider your claim/theory debunked, they never said that, and statistically its not accurate either since Bura would be 1 DMG lower than Burtgang, and only 9 higher than Excalibur, while Hala is a full 17 lower than Excalibur. In the end, its not really accurate to say they are 113, best estimate would be 117 really... but again, ODD puts them as best by these numbers.

[Afania]

Honestly.... I would really love to.... but it was FOREVER ago.
And since I am not crazy... I never thought it would be buried in the forums long enough to be saved...
Who knew that that would be the only word about the update for half a year.... T_T

But basically: Matsui used the one-handed swords for comparisons.
Burtang was updated to be 1dmg less than Buramenkah. (thusly, 119 level)
And Excalibur and Almace were a sizeable drop of dmg below them... (I wanna say 20pts... but it might have been as high as -30dmg...) so that's basically equivalent to Halahuinic... but slightly better. So really it's possible (even probable) to put them at 115ish instead of 113. I just used the second best swords as an iLv comparrison.

Matsui only gave #dmg and delay... this was like a month before the whole stick fake skill on stuff update... so... yeah.
But I remember that Burtang was -1dmg from Buramenkah, and Excalibur and Almace were a tier lower.

The iLv association is my own doing. (though I feel that stating mythics will be 119 isn't any different than what Matsui said.)

Again, sorry I can't find the post exactly... it's been buried under a half-year's posts.


Except not. Mythics have always been the largest reward for the largest time invested.
Relics and Empys are pretty much the same. Just different kinds of time sunk into them. (farming $ vs farming chunks of monsters)
But Mythics have pretty much 100% completion of ToAU as a starting point.

And Matsu HAS give us a statement.... but it was forever ago and only dealt with the base damage because it was before the fake skill update.
Yeah. THAT long ago.
Mythics will be equal to the Delve Mega Boss weapons.
Relics and Empys will be below them, but still viable.

I don't want Mythics to be equal to delve mega boss weapons and relics/empy inferior to Oat(which is a weapon you can get in 20 min~3hr, mind you), that'd be pretty dumb. RME should be a situationally useful weapon, but not required to complete any content.