well here is the thing rem only shouts wont happen again maby relic only but that's only for like drk, assuming relics before add effect hidden proc and special ability have the same dps as delve weapons and emps will have slightly less than that and mythics a little lower still(after maths would supposedly make up the difference but without the ability to rapidly get 300% tp all the time will neuter some of them), but when you consider you will be able to use emp weaponskills with ANY weapon of the class emps will easily lag behind the relics and in some cases there delve counterpart to (looking at you gk). Mythics even with there lower dps will still win for pure utility, but given there rarity no big deal. And before anyone says it, making a relic is super easy now i can go into dynamis on blu and get 300-400 currency a run with a little luck, and lets not even get on how much of a joke adl is now, hell wish se would let blu on excal and dnc on mandu so i could make up my mind on what to do with my currency >.</

o and ps remember when trying to use relics X dmg as an example of why there better that its only first hit no X attack ,which most dds are packing in spades now a days but yes it is 13% o almost forgot on hand to hand weapons its only first fist which means a good mnk thf nin ext only sees that like 3-4% of there attacks
[13/2= 6.5(R) 4(Q)/100=4 8(T)/96=7.62 20(D)/88.35=17.67

12+15.24+17.67+100 =144.9

6.5/144.9 = 0.044~ = 4% forgive this scrap math no paper and cant do it in my head <.<]