Dem RMEs....

[Slaxx]

100% chance of non-stop bitching no matter how the upgrades are handled.

[Spectreman]

I hope SE makes them as good as delve weapons, not better, not worse.

I know R/E/M owners took a lot of effort to get them (well most just bought them with rmt gil, fishing bot gil or got it on cruise mode from their ls) but they always feel entitle of being the owners of the game and its nice that this is over.

The Delve weapons should be still the top DD options alongside the REM. Just don't trash new content in favor of old one.

[Rustic]

I hope SE makes them as good as delve weapons, not better, not worse.

I know R/E/M owners took a lot of effort to get them (well most just bought them with rmt gil, fishing bot gil or got it on cruise mode from their ls) but they always feel entitle of being the owners of the game and its nice that this is over.

The Delve weapons should be still the top DD options alongside the REM. Just don't trash new content in favor of old one.

If they're as good, it means that every dual-wielding class will have to have an upgraded RME AND Delve weapon. Ow.

[Spectreman]

If they're as good, it means that every dual-wielding class will have to have an upgraded RME AND Delve weapon. Ow.

If it depended on me R/M/E weapons would be still inferior to delve.

[Rustic]

If it depended on me R/M/E weapons would be still inferior to delve.

I've got no problems with an Adoulin upgrade that matches RME twohanders to the current item levels (indeed, a series of trials that pushes them up to 113 -> 119 -> etc to end-of-expansion levels), but thanks to dual wields, onehanders that matched up with anything but an Adoulin offhand would mean you'd need to have a fully updated RME AND the Adoulin gear to be up to standards.

[FaeQueenCory]

I hope SE makes them as good as delve weapons, not better, not worse.

I know R/E/M owners took a lot of effort to get them (well most just bought them with rmt gil, fishing bot gil or got it on cruise mode from their ls) but they always feel entitle of being the owners of the game and its nice that this is over.

The Delve weapons should be still the top DD options alongside the REM. Just don't trash new content in favor of old one.

There was a post from Matsui foreeeeeeeeeeveeeeeer ago...
But it basically went like this:

Delve&Mythic within 1dmg of each other based on the weapon
Relic&Empyrean roughly 2dmg of each other and about 4~5dmg below Delve and Mythics.
(the example given was with PLD swords, with Delve sword being 1dmg higher than PLD's mythic. The relic being about 5ish dmg below that. And the empy sword being about 2 less than that.)

Y'all are also forgetting about the Skirmish+1s.

Once the update hits, expect to see shouts for DREMS DD.
DREMSs is my copyright. Everyone owes me 1gil for coming up with a nice fluid name that can be said as a real word: DREMS
[/sarcasm]

Though not about the shout for DREMS. That's totes gonna happen.


EDIT: Actually the bump might have had relics and empys 10dmg below delve and mythics... it's been like a year.

EDIT:

If it depended on me R/M/E weapons would be still inferior to delve.

I thank God it doesn't. Mythics should always be the best.
Because those are the Ultimate weapons of the jobs.
And because... especially with mythics... it's more about the JA buffs than it is about the base dmg.
Having another set of weapons (eg Delve) that is basically the same base damage as the Mythic but lacks all that sexy JA buff is wonderful... because it makes a diverse game.

[Afania]

I hope SE makes them as good as delve weapons, not better, not worse.

I know R/E/M owners took a lot of effort to get them (well most just bought them with rmt gil, fishing bot gil or got it on cruise mode from their ls) but they always feel entitle of being the owners of the game and its nice that this is over.

The Delve weapons should be still the top DD options alongside the REM. Just don't trash new content in favor of old one.

What's the point to spend 200 hr making a weapon if 3hr weapon is on same lv lol.

Also "feel entitle of being the owners of the game" isn't exclusive to REM owner only. I was trying to help one of my LS getting Ceizak clear earlier, with some DD player "undergeared" with 30k polearm, then another player came from /shout owning Oat told me they all suck at DD and 30k plasm weapon will never beat 200k plasm weapon even if 200k plasm weapon user doesn't gear swap.

Yeah, making REM same as Delve weapons, you'd still see delve weapon DD being an ass toward ppl trying to get clear, don't pretend REM is what makes humanity bad.

REM should be 1~2% ahead of delve weapons. That's the best way to do it. There's no way you'd be told not to come DD job if you're gear is 1% behind REM. And those really obsessed with elite can get REM and burn their 200hr free time for 1% increase if they want to.

[Mefuki]

REM should be 1~2% ahead of delve weapons. That's the best way to do it. There's no way you'd be told not to come DD job if you're gear is 1% behind REM. And those really obsessed with elite can get REM and burn their 200hr free time for 1% increase if they want to.

I just wanted to emphasize the correctness of this statement by quoting it.

[Umichi]

What's the point to spend 200 hr making a weapon if 3hr weapon is on same lv lol.

Also "feel entitle of being the owners of the game" isn't exclusive to REM owner only. I was trying to help one of my LS getting Ceizak clear earlier, with some DD player "undergeared" with 30k polearm, then another player came from /shout owning Oat told me they all suck at DD and 30k plasm weapon will never beat 200k plasm weapon even if 200k plasm weapon user doesn't gear swap.

Yeah, making REM same as Delve weapons, you'd still see delve weapon DD being an ass toward ppl trying to get clear, don't pretend REM is what makes humanity bad.

REM should be 1~2% ahead of delve weapons. That's the best way to do it. There's no way you'd be told not to come DD job if you're gear is 1% behind REM. And those really obsessed with elite can get REM and burn their 200hr free time for 1% increase if they want to.

People keep bringing up this whole 3 hour crap.... I've been playing since Audolin release and I still do not have a Delve boss weapon. Your garuntees are falsified I want my gil back plox

[Spectreman]

What's the point to spend 200 hr making a weapon if 3hr weapon is on same lv lol.

Also "feel entitle of being the owners of the game" isn't exclusive to REM owner only. I was trying to help one of my LS getting Ceizak clear earlier, with some DD player "undergeared" with 30k polearm, then another player came from /shout owning Oat told me they all suck at DD and 30k plasm weapon will never beat 200k plasm weapon even if 200k plasm weapon user doesn't gear swap.

Yeah, making REM same as Delve weapons, you'd still see delve weapon DD being an ass toward ppl trying to get clear, don't pretend REM is what makes humanity bad.

REM should be 1~2% ahead of delve weapons. That's the best way to do it. There's no way you'd be told not to come DD job if you're gear is 1% behind REM. And those really obsessed with elite can get REM and burn their 200hr free time for 1% increase if they want to.

So now time = difficulty?

I remember very well entire linkshells carrying a dude through months in dynamis to get his relic. Damn sometimes the sucker wasn't even online and another ls dude would log in to get the coins.

Let alone all the relics bought with fishbots, rmt gil and cybersex manthras lapdancing on their ls leader. Get proud of accomplishing a mind numbing task for an epeen item if that's what you make play MMORPGs but what the majority here want is fun.

You can always look at your R/E/M weapon and remember how many days you stood in jeuno doing nothing to be checked all the time if that will get you motivated again to live your life.