Woe to ye Summoner! (Mostly not a Cait Sith, Atomos rant thread)

[Annalise]

Well, for one... the esper stone was basically useless anyways. +1MAB? wooooooooo soooooo much more dmg. [/sarcasm]

And way to be racist!
lol
That's marginally a joke.... cause you are ignoring the problems that certain races have.
For a Galka or Elvaan smn... if you really felt the need to macro that esper stone (I did for a bit, then dropped it cause it's basically worthless). Macroing back in a +MP piece was really good.
Because... y'know... auto-refesh?
You have 45s to fill up that +45MP... and at +1mp/s (+3mp/tic)... You have that much "lost" back.
And that's just auto-refresh.
Not to mention elemental siphons... and whatever /mage you're using needs that MP too.

I'm not arguing that esper stone was good... cause it was shittier than shit.
I was just saying that there was something that some people lost.

And, as an Elvaan smn, I find that the trade off of 45MP is a big kick to the butt... BUT is TOTES worth the +7/14Lvs that the new sachets give.

Though what *I* lament is that it is the only thing they give.... while BST axes got all those pretty green numbers and +acc... and DRG polearms too.... PUP is the only one who didn't really loose much... but they lost a bit too with the new animators not having a hidden +XDEX stat to the PUP. (I think the best was +4DEX before? idr)

Considering that for PUP and SMN, these ammos are required... and waaaaay moreso than any DREMSs (Delve-Relic-Empyrean-Mythic-Skirmish+1) ever will be... cause... there's 4 of those per weapon...
It would have been a lot nicer to have something for the smn. +skill... +mp.... +eva... +pet acc... whatever!
Just... SOMETHING so that it doesn't feel like a dead slot.

I do understand that as a Hume, I have a boatload of MP and a lot of refresh on Summoner. As an Elvaan, with same gear/merits you will have 100 less MP than me. Which you could pretty much make up for eating food if you wanted it (because I don't eat food on Summoner). Elvaan also gets bigger converts than a Hume does FYI.

I am well aware of all of the refresh on SMN and siphon/convert. This is why max MP hardly matters anymore and why a +45 mp ammo won't break you. I can manage my MP for a long time on SMN spamming bloodpacts without any support (up to 9/tick MP solo with avatar out currently; 1 trait, 2 head, 1 earring, 1 legs, 3 refresh spell, and at times 1 hand). And if I have someone giving me refresh 2 or evoker's or ballad, it's just ridiculous MP.

My original counterargument, though, was about how the ammo slot (which you also agree is pretty lackluster for smn) is much better than locking the weapon slot. And you want something like +pet acc on it? It is already increasing that.