Why are bst pets getting shafted?

[Glamdring]

Not sure you are getting it quite right. BA and monster gloves don't actually raise the jugs level it just raises it's cap. So regardless the highest level you can pull out will be based on your ilvl. It's not a both are used to boost it's a take the lower of the 2. Now we do get a higher level axe then smn gets ammo because no boss drop yet for summoner so we can get up to 119 with 2 pets (plasm doesn't count) if you have gloves AND BA and the axe from delve megaboss while smns avatars are 113 though dmg wise on soa content avatar will probably come out of ahead due to mostly how crapilly pet pdif scales vs all this new avatar mab. Drg gets a boss weapon so wyverns can go up to 119 well and another 5 thru there lvling system. Pup doesn't really count. Sure altenator is ilvl 113 but it came out before the ilvl for pets system came out and the stats it gets from that are basically what the other 3 pet jobs get combined lol. Seriously I've thrown 3 ilvl 113-114 jugs at one root in colo reive and watched an altenator pup throw his auto on another... he killed his faster

Regardless I don't see them giving other pet jobs an additional way to level up their pets other than higher ilvl items like I think you are saying since that isn't what BA does. Though if they did I think I'd just right then and their toss my 99 guttler.

tl;dr we already need 2 slots and merits that could go somewhere else vs 1 slot on others. Now as ilvl rises this will get worse since even with merits and gloves none of the current craftable jugs will go higher than 120. So basically all jugs right now including the ones they just brought out have built in obsolescence



In response to the dev note... yes jug meva is better off right now then it's other stats. But that has always kinda been it's thing. So while it's meva doesn't suck against soa content it's no longer the good thing it was. So not raising it with other stats is kinda like saying don't give war anymore attack because I mean it already has berserk lol

I do understand the mechanics of your post. However (and I believe this was actually confirmed with a dev interview years ago-like pre-Abyssea) that beast jug pets always spawn 1-2 levels below the master, the relic gloves were supposed to close that gap. BA adds I believe it was 2 levels per merit to the cap which was why I always used funguar pets when we were at 75 cap. So yes, to that point my remarks were taking pets that capped at about 114 the rest of the way to our axe, extending their useful life a bit.

The shaft comes in that the other jobs never required any merits or gear to get to master's level, now they do, but unlike us they don't HAVE merits to take as you said avatars beyond that piece (and why they discontinued the practice beyond 99 I'm not coder enough to know). That leaves them with a gap. However, if they fix it by giving a 119 piece to the jobs beast gets the shaft as it takes more than just the Axe to get our pet to 119, we need the gloves-and depending on the jug cap BA-to get there. Of course if they don't give smn a 119 piece they are getting the shaft (damage numbers for avatars or not, beast pets are harder to kill just from higher HP, even before any defensive stats). And I'm sure the avatar's iLevel effects things like overcoming prey resistances and the like, so a 119 piece may still be needed. Smn do have the advantage of the shortest cool-down time to get another full-strength pet of all the pet jobs tho'.

so please note, I'm not disagreeing with you, just expanding on my unclear prior statement a bit.

[dasva]

I do understand the mechanics of your post. However (and I believe this was actually confirmed with a dev interview years ago-like pre-Abyssea) that beast jug pets always spawn 1-2 levels below the master, the relic gloves were supposed to close that gap. BA adds I believe it was 2 levels per merit to the cap which was why I always used funguar pets when we were at 75 cap. So yes, to that point my remarks were taking pets that capped at about 114 the rest of the way to our axe, extending their useful life a bit.

The shaft comes in that the other jobs never required any merits or gear to get to master's level, now they do, but unlike us they don't HAVE merits to take as you said avatars beyond that piece (and why they discontinued the practice beyond 99 I'm not coder enough to know). That leaves them with a gap. However, if they fix it by giving a 119 piece to the jobs beast gets the shaft as it takes more than just the Axe to get our pet to 119, we need the gloves-and depending on the jug cap BA-to get there. Of course if they don't give smn a 119 piece they are getting the shaft (damage numbers for avatars or not, beast pets are harder to kill just from higher HP, even before any defensive stats). And I'm sure the avatar's iLevel effects things like overcoming prey resistances and the like, so a 119 piece may still be needed. Smn do have the advantage of the shortest cool-down time to get another full-strength pet of all the pet jobs tho'.

so please note, I'm not disagreeing with you, just expanding on my unclear prior statement a bit.

well sorta. Yeah the 1-2 is still there. Though not sure what you mean by taking pets that cap at 114 to the rest of the way of the axe... no jug naturally caps at 114 or higher. All the old ones are still naturally capped at 99. And we have to use the merits and augmented to just extend to 114 (though some are still lower)


But the way you put the merits kinda makes it sound like using merits is helpful when it's actually a part of the gimp. The BA merit system is actually a gimp not a help. The gap between jugs and avatars isn't because of BA it's because of the current ilvl item available. And if they did add it to smn it would actually hurt them. It would make it so they were still 99 even with the satchet unless you used the smn affinity and then when you did fully do that it would still be 113 with the satchet. So stating like it is somehow helpful makes it sound like you still think it works in a way it doesn't. Even though you state correctly how it works. Which vaguely confuses me lol

It's just that right now bst gets a higher ilvl weapon then smn gets satchet that produces the gap not the BA system. Similar to how mnk gets oats while say war only get razorfury. Except it would be like without using the right merits and the right augmented af2 and the right and more expensive/harder to find consumable that oats goes back down to being to something anywhere as bad ilvl 99 h2h to maybe a rigor. But basically you are just waiting for newer delve to get a boss drop which should be at least as high an ilvl as current possibly higher. Kinda sucks but it's at best a temporarily problem based on order they release gear (though one could argue the sheer insane amount of bp gear from skirmish makes up for it). While jugs problem is an actual systematic problem that not only wont be fixed just by event progression but will in fact be compounded on and made worse.

As far as which pets are stronger yes jugs have still a bit more survivabilty (though they lose alot with not being able to dual pdt axes anymore) right now avatars out solo jugs both in terms of speed and just can it be done. In a similar way to if you vastly increase your dmg output you end up decently lowering your dmg taken. And as far as pt... well let's face jugs have never been useful anyways so no big loss I suppose but not being able to take advantage of ecosystems because 95% of my ilvl pets are still underlevel even with maxing everything out is a huge loss similar to how smn would be if it conly only use 2 avatars at full level and being unable to take advantage of elements.

Anyways at this point I'm kinda confused. Some of what you say is exactly how it works but then some of your examples make it sound like you think it works the other way.