Thief Treasure Hunter

[Demon6324236]

XD Like paladin . Supertanking doesn't count.

At least PLD has a use in WKs though. Nothing in Adoulin at all has called for a THF, I mean hell, when it came out they could not even be bothered to think of adding things for Steal, it took them like 2 months to even add things you could steal. Also, TH has had next to no effect on the content, the only things I think a THF would matter for is outside NMs, to help bead drops/gear drops, something no one does, and Airlixirs, which you get more of if you bring a proper DD of equal skill/gear. All in all, I have to say, PLD at least has something going for it, and its even required for an event, while THF sadly cant say the same.

[Nebo]

It's not a great damage dealer, it just isn't. Solo it's even worse, because you have SA once every 3 minutes and no TA (unless you're dualboxing/have an npc, but neither is technically solo).

Interestingly enough, when the game was first released, THF was the best DD in the game. I have seen a lot of people argue over the years that THF isn't designed or intended to be a DD (Not saying you were saying that).

But at the game's release making SATA lines and closing distortion skill chains was so much better than everything else, that most groups had at least two Thieves....for killspeed and DAMAGE. Damage that was so huge that there was no way another DD was going to rip hate off the tank before the monster died.

What has happened is that other DD's have made giant leaps forward - light years ahead. Addition of food/support, better melee/haste gear etc.

Thief has stayed relatively the same. Haste doesn't benefit THF as much as other DDs due to timer bottlenecks and positional requirements. THF is still tied to archaic party mechanics that no one uses, even though the devs like to pretend the game still works this way. SATA lines are no longer give such a huge damage payout so no one uses them.

Thief is a DD that has not been relevant for quite some time, but it was intended to be a tactical DD with large payouts. It was just never allowed to evolve with the game.

It is this process of neglect that has reduced the job to "TH only." Not because that's all the job was designed to bring to the table.

There are other issues too - like all the lock picking, steal...all the Thiefly type stuff that SE took away due to RMT abuse. I think that when the devs see Thief now...all they think is "RMT abuse"

I mean...why else could they think some garbage like Aura steal is "overpowered"

[Daemon]

Interestingly enough, when the game was first released, THF was the best DD in the game. I have seen a lot of people argue over the years that THF isn't designed or intended to be a DD (Not saying you were saying that).

But at the game's release making SATA lines and closing distortion skill chains was so much better than everything else, that most groups had at least two Thieves....for killspeed and DAMAGE. Damage that was so huge that there was no way another DD was going to rip hate off the tank before the monster died.

What has happened is that other DD's have made giant leaps forward - light years ahead. Addition of food/support, better melee/haste gear etc.

Thief has stayed relatively the same. Haste doesn't benefit THF as much as other DDs due to timer bottlenecks and positional requirements. THF is still tied to archaic party mechanics that no one uses, even though the devs like to pretend the game still works this way. SATA lines are no longer give such a huge damage payout so no one uses them.

Thief is a DD that has not been relevant for quite some time, but it was intended to be a tactical DD with large payouts. It was just never allowed to evolve with the game.

It is this process of neglect that has reduced the job to "TH only." Not because that's all the job was designed to bring to the table.

There are other issues too - like all the lock picking, steal...all the Thiefly type stuff that SE took away due to RMT abuse. I think that when the devs see Thief now...all they think is "RMT abuse"

I mean...why else could they think some garbage like Aura steal is "overpowered"

Looks like its Thiefs turn to step off the stage. They did it to RDM, SMN, DRG, and other jobs. Guess they want the focus to be on Geomancer and Rune. Although If that's the case they need to implement better things to encourage us to play these jobs in SoA. I'm still not convinced enough to drop merits for Geo or Rune.

[FrankReynolds]

Looks like its Thiefs turn to step off the stage. They did it to RDM, SMN, DRG, and other jobs. Guess they want the focus to be on Geomancer and Rune. Although If that's the case they need to implement better things to encourage us to play these jobs in SoA. I'm still not convinced enough to drop merits for Geo or Rune.

I don't remember DNC or PUP ever being especially popular. Can we have that changed too while their focusing on making the new jobs good? My DNC is aching to have a use and I've always wanted a reason to level pup.

[Daemon]

I don't remember DNC or PUP ever being especially popular. Can we have that changed too while their focusing on making the new jobs good? My DNC is aching to have a use and I've always wanted a reason to level pup.

Yeah all jobs need help. That's why I ranted out a topic 2 months ago. Inventory issues, job imbalances etc.

The thing you guys most likely wont want to hear me say this. But the problem does lie with the community around you when they decide not to invite you because they rather invite someone else with better gear.

Only time I ever saw JP parties ask me to play a specific job is when I joined event like VW and they needed job for proc. every other event I play in my JP LS, I always ask them what job they want me to play and the leaders always say anything I want, it doesn't matter, we only play event for fun.

In other words I've never been discriminated except in all NA parties, including LS. Which is probably why JPs don't understand our way of playing and complaining. I mean they don't create that problem like we do lol.

[Nebo]

Yeah all jobs need help. That's why I ranted out a topic 2 months ago. Inventory issues, job imbalances etc.

The thing you guys most likely wont want to hear me say this. But the problem does lie with the community around you when they decide not to invite you because they rather invite someone else with better gear.

Only time I ever saw JP parties ask me to play a specific job is when I joined event like VW and they needed job for proc. every other event I play in my JP LS, I always ask them what job they want me to play and the leaders always say anything I want, it doesn't matter, we only play event for fun.

In other words I've never been discriminated except in all NA parties, including LS. Which is probably why JPs don't understand our way of playing and complaining. I mean they don't create that problem like we do lol.

That's not a JP vs NA thing. That's just your group. JP's are just as picky when it comes to jobs, skill and gear.

If they even invite you.

"JP Onry" is a very real and common thing. If anything, on average, they are MORE discriminatory.

[Nebo]

Looks like its Thiefs turn to step off the stage.

Thief has been "Off the stage" for many many years now. Thief doesn't even remember what the stage smells like.

[Daemon]

Thief has been "Off the stage" for many many years now. Thief doesn't even remember what the stage smells like.

Not really, Thief was very popular for Abyssea, Shin. It was since VW thief become useless, other than Bully for proc, then again BST was needed for Pet Procs yet no one wanted BST lol.

[Nebo]

Not really, Thief was very popular for Abyssea, Shin. It was since VW thief become useless, other than Bully for proc, then again BST was needed for Pet Procs yet no one wanted BST lol.

THF has been in this boat long before VW.

And Abyssea is Abyssea. That is not THF being on the stage, that is Abyssea allowing everyone to turn on God Mode with Atmas.

[OmnysValefor]

I'm truly sorry to say this, but until a DNC can crank out numbers like a WAR, it makes sense that the group looks for wars.

To turn a similar phrase on myself: Until PLD can hold hate like a monk or war, it makes sense that the group doesn't want me on the boss.

Even PLD, as much as I love it, I know when it's impractical to bring it, and I'm not inclined to bring it to such things. It is not the community that imposes this on each other.

Some of the best geared topend players I know have soft spots for jobs they love like nin, dnc, pld, rdm, blm, run, thf, drg (pld gets to supertank, and drg gets to go sometimes for Angon) and most desire that SE would bring some of those jobs into the spotlight, but until they do, players know they're impractical.

I built an Aegis and Ochain during mid-late Abyssea, I know all about building gearsets that I never got to really use.

As for DNC, PUP, NIN, and BLU's uses... All 4, properly understood, should excel at being an independent killer in new skirmish.