Thief Treasure Hunter

[Karbuncle]

This is another example of the stigma THF Gets, people still can't comprehend that a good THF can out DD many a folk, I'm not going to bother reposting it but you can find the link in a previous post in this thread that shows a THF no less within 1~2% below and above Oatix MNKs in Tojil runs... All the credibility is there and no amount of strawmen will change THF's potential.

The DD were good, the MNKs were good, the THF was good. Having a D:108~ Dagger really does help. THF is just screwed on weaponskills, I can say with certainty if that THF Could have used Mercy Stroke with the Delve MB Dagger, they'd of done much better in the parse.

THF isn't above and beyond a Terrible DD, Its just most if not all people play it with incredible mediocrity so you have a hard time convincing anyone of letting you in the DD Party, and its much more gear and competency controlled than ay other mindless DD job... but equally buffed and extremely well geared, a THF Will provide substantial DD potential as well as being able to contribute whatever meaning TH has.

Its not to say the job isn't in serious need of a rehaul, but a lot of our woes could be solved by more people playing the job well, which unfortunately doesn't happen because its a very very hard job to play well and its extremely gear reliant.

[OmnysValefor]

I'd love to see the thread if you could give me a hint as key phrases to search for.

Because honestly, take away SA, TA, because those are more frustrating than useful in zergs, and thf is a "DD" without native DD enhancement besides Triple Attack II (6% supposedly), and Assassin's Charge. The new daggers hit harder, but dagger is still, by design, a weapon that doesn't hit hard. I would say that I never see thf really competitive for damage, but it's also true that thf isn't in the DD parties so I agree it has the potential for more than it usually does.

Of course, a thf competing for damage would also likely sub war, just like all the other DDs, but in a practical environment, thf should sub dnc in lieu of a real dnc for stutter step and the benefit that gives to the group, samba, and sure, even the ability to waltz himself.

Of course, stutter step isn't as necessary anymore, right now, but new delve may bring back its usefulness.

[Karbuncle]

I'd love to see the thread if you could give me a hint as key phrases to search for.

Technically we have Triple Attack+11% As if you're a THF and dont merit Triple Attack you deserve your THF Badge taken away :P.

Still, First report, a tad doom and gloom, but see below for the final.

I took my THF into Tojil run last weekend, was not happy with the results. Against Tojil, I did 13% while the SAM was 21%, MNKs were 19%, 16% and 13%(died). DRG was 15%. Mercy was doing 1.5k the first 25%, about 8k the second 25% when it's weak to piercing and 4k the rest of the time. Don't think I got chaos rolls though, though I did pop RCB and berserk. Exenterator was doing laughable damage the whole way through, doing about 1/3 to 1/2 the damage of Mercy Stroke.

Not to say that THF DD was ever amazing, but the further we're forced to go on without upgrading Mercy Stroke, the further behind we'll fall.

Second report

After people started leaving, I jumped my THF to the main DD party and the results weren't bad. First run had me at 14%, drg 15%, mnks 16%/16%/18%/18%. Second run had me at 17.5%, mnks at 16%/17.8%/18%/18% and one pickup mnk at 10%; my damage picked up a bit because I wasn't sharing piercing weak with the drg anymore. Third run we wiped because being a DD, main curing and being the only stunner is a bad idea. Seems alt+tab'ing can only do so much. I don't run a bot, so people died, stun resisted and we wiped.

And also, the core members of my group are all top tier players, have mostly capped gear and everyone has mega boss weapons, and know how to play their job well, so I'm not parsing against a bunch of gimps.

Both made by the same person, a very reputable person, and a THF i look up too. I believe they've posted here before. If so, Sorry for draggin' ya into this

[Demon6324236]

If they want THF to be good for enmity they could simply change Trick Attack so that it gives all of the enmity the THF has to the person in front of them rather than only the enmity for a single attack. That alone would mean a THF could rip hate off of other people with their current JAs and then throw a large chunk of enmity at a tank with Trick Attack.

[detlef]

Dunno man, the guy was on stun duty, main curing, AND playing a DD job but was still able to be competitive? Just seems too good to be true.

[Karbuncle]

I imagine it must seem that way, but personally I believe they're a well known and respected THF who knows their sh*t. I trust them as they have no real reason to lie. People just fail to believe the potential THF has because theres so many mediocre gimps that the mediocrity has become the norm and expected.

[Demon6324236]

People just fail to believe the potential THF has because theres so many mediocre gimps that the mediocrity has become the norm and expected.

It was not till I read this that I fully understood how similar RDM & THF are so far as their place in this game goes, as I feel the same way for RDM.

[OmnysValefor]

Yep, /shame, I forgot about the merit lol.

A mandau thf competing with Oatixur mnks seems to be good to be true. I mean honestly, people wouldn't expect a mandau thf to keep pace with a Vere or Spharai Mnk.

[Karbuncle]

They didn't use Mandau on the second parse as far as i know, But instead used the Megaboss Dagger/Aphotic.

Mandau was only one the first run where you can see they fell behind a strong amount.

[Nebo]

They didn't use Mandau on the second parse as far as i know, But instead used the Megaboss Dagger/Aphotic.

Mandau was only one the first run where you can see they fell behind a strong amount.

my damage picked up a bit because I wasn't sharing piercing weak with the drg anymore.

I'm sure he did fine, but in my opinion, there too many factors at play that could account for his % that have nothing to do with The THF job being a competitive DD at tojil.

It's a nice parse, but it doesn't specifically prove much.