Relic Adjustments - The balancing act

[Byrth]

Aegis - This is another easy fix. Comparing this shield to the power of the Empyrean shield, the proposed fix is not outrageous either.
* Make Aegis' Magic Damage Taken -% additive, yet separate from the gear/spell -Magic Damage Taken cap of 50%. This means that level 90 Aegis users would take -90% Magic damage.

We shall seeeeeeee~!

[Denabond]

The cap on magic damage sustainable with the shield "Aegis" equipped has been increased.

Well Aegis got something nice this update.

[DebbieGibson]

bump to this

[axlzero]

wow you did a lot of thinking into this i commend you but me i like to keep things simple so here is my fix

all one handed relics get trait attacks 3 to 5 times all two handed relics attack 2 to 3 times.

you forget aegis i would put 10 emnity on it, +100 hp, +100 mp, change magic dmg taken to -dmg taken and give it a counterbash ability on a sucessful block

as for gaga horn well im not a bard so someone else come up with something for it

[Nynja]

Also 20 minutes just to summon the wyvern. Why does our wyvern have a 20 minute weakness time while our own bodies have 5 minutes is beyond me(Not like they don't get one-two shotted anyway from an AoE).

IF you call your wyvern, then die in 20 minutes...your wyvern is at 0 recast, therefor no "weakness". Cmon man, youre smarter than this...

[AldielQuetz]

100% Supporter of making Excalibur's additional damage increase enmity AND to add accuracy to the 1 handers and attack to the 2 handers AND 110% behind you when you said to make the Regen aftermath increase and add a refresh effect as well!

This is the kind of creative genius that SE needs! The original poster of this thread should be on SE's staff,

HANDS DOWN BEST THREAD EVAR.

Thank YOU Sir m(_ _)m

[Xellith]

SE devs talk about balance yet they have no idea what they are doing with regards to relic/mythic/empy weapons.

Difficulty:Reward ratio is skewed to badly with regards to these weapons its impossible to take the dev team seriously when they talk about said "balance".

Relics and Mythic should be much much more powerful.

Relics should be much more powerful with a higher DMG and better aftermath. Mythic should be on par with relics.

Empy should be SLIGHTLY easier to obtain with regard to collecting all those items at the end trials. Reduce the amount needed from 50 to 25. From 75 to 50. Bump up the NM difficulty so they cant just be easily low manned (hi to you masamune) and increase the number of NMs which must be hunted for these trials to start with.

But in the big picture im sure others can come up with better ideas than these. I just want it to be known that in my personal opinion relics should be very very powerful with the difficulty in obtaining them. Hell release a ring that corrosponds to each particular relic that when equiped your minimum WS is based off the level of the Monster you are fighting.

100-90 = 2k ws minimum
90-50 = 3k ws minimum
50-0 = 4k ws minimum

or SOMETHING

Most Relics and Mythics currently are not worth the time when you can just spend a few weeks getting an empy and have very similar results for only 1/100th the effort.

[Ahrana]

I'm going to disagree with the general ideas posted in this thread. The last thing FFXI needs is to seperate people into haves and have nots, and changing relics into OMFG overwhelming weapons will do just that. We don't need to go back to a system of "relic or GTFO."

While some relics were bought using legitmate time and effort, I would venture to guess that most relics were funded by linkshell bank stealing, gil buying, or NM botting. Or those wonderful people who make a linkshell to help people get relics, but then they break it after they complete theirs. I'm really not inclined to have SE bend over backwards to "reward" these players with must have, game defining weapons at 99.

I'm ok with them being slightly more powerful then other options, but the changes suggested here are just overwhelming.

And when I say relic here I mean mythic weapons also, which are largely terribad with a few exceptions.

[Masamunai]

Possable Aegis enhancments

IDEA 1
THE MAGIC STATUS ROUTE
I have been thinking about possable aegis enhancments, SE said they wanted to keep Aegis focused on reducing magic damage not physical and I have thought of a good system that would do that yet keep aegis and ochain holders happy.

At the moment Aegis offers great protection from magical damage but what about magic status?

If they was to add a hidden effect of Enhancing resistance to status alments to the same % as the -% magic damage taken.

i.e. lvl 90 Aegis would be -40% magic damage taken and 40% resistance to status alments.

This would be a huge boost to aegis, allowing Aegis PLDs to have a high resist rates including Death, Doom, Silence, HP down, Amnesia and zombie status ect.

IDEA 2
THE MYTHS AND LEGENDS ROUTE

Acording to the myths and legends of Aegis the Head of Medusa was embosed upon the shield striking fear into all those who looked upon it.

In keeping with the myths and legends of Aegis give it "Enhances all killer traits" with a high proc rate

This would give all aegis users a very high chance of intinidating the monster therfore reducing the damage they would take with out raising the block rate or damage taken

^These are excellent ideas!

[Byrth]

I'm going to disagree with the general ideas posted in this thread. The last thing FFXI needs is to seperate people into haves and have nots, and changing relics into OMFG overwhelming weapons will do just that. We don't need to go back to a system of "relic or GTFO."

While some relics were bought using legitmate time and effort, I would venture to guess that most relics were funded by linkshell bank stealing, gil buying, or NM botting. Or those wonderful people who make a linkshell to help people get relics, but then they break it after they complete theirs. I'm really not inclined to have SE bend over backwards to "reward" these players with must have, game defining weapons at 99.

I'm ok with them being slightly more powerful then other options, but the changes suggested here are just overwhelming.

And when I say relic here I mean mythic weapons also, which are largely terribad with a few exceptions.

Thanks for reading! You may have missed something though.

I'm going to propose a few changes to keep relic weapons relevant, though I don't think there's any obligation to make them the "best" weapon for every job in every situation.

2) Keep in mind that the goal is to make each weapon useful, without necessarily making it the best in every situation.

Other than that, thanks for the support guys!