To everyone that hates relic/mythic weapons, I like to know why

[Rambus]

yes, it means not equal. i don't see at all how whether or not relics and mythics are the best weapons affects the casual player.

so the casual player won't have the BEST weapon in the game. why do they care, if they're a casual player?

i like empyreans. but i certainly won't be sad if they are still powerful, but not the best weapons. why? they didn't actually take that much effort. to me, ideally relics and mythics will be sidegrades or close (for damage; for other jobs they can be very different), and empyreans will be a bit behind.

That's how it should be in my eyes, but a lot of people seem to disagree for some unknown reason.

Can someone answer this please? All the threads I seen it seems people that show anti relic/ mythic ingore this point.

How does having a hard to get weapon/ lot of time getting a weapon effect you?
Why can't there be weapons that do a bit more performace that take way longer to get then alts like emp weapons?

FFXI had other concepts like that like how yiget body was an alt to a rare brd jse body, the yiget body was not the best but it had an effect liek the jse did.

same how SE gave out new gear that was alts to heca gear and so on.

or are people anti relic/mythic doing so just to "troll"? i would really like to understand

Also please add relics for the newer jobs.

* can we please have civil convo, not trolls/hate posts? I do not mind disagreement posts you have every right to but please have a reasonable reason.

[Purpleeyes]

Because DNC doesn't have a relic /cry

[Rambus]

Because DNC doesn't have a relic /cry

oh yeah, SE can there be relic type weapon for the new jobs?

[TearValerin]

oh yeah, SE can there be relic type weapon for the new jobs?

There already is, Twashtar, and Terpischore.

[Rambus]

There already is, Twashtar, and Terpischore.

I think the new jobs could have relic type weapons to strive for, i agree with that poster i changed the thread just for them XD

oh you cant change the main title, oh well ><

I believe they are just trolling. You bring up good examples how there were almost always items released for the "casual" player but how the harder to obtain items were slightly better for those that devoted more time and effort.

yeah I tried listing gear like that too

[Purpleeyes]

There already is, Twashtar, and Terpischore.

I mean relic relic though, not mythic or emp.
I mean, it would really be nice for the new jobs that don't have a relic weapon to have one, or at the very least be able to use one that is currently in the game. Why do those jobs get three choices and others only have two?
I don't really care, but I think it would be a nice addition to the game.

[TearValerin]

The problem is, relic owners spend months making their weapon, only to be second best by weapons that take no time to get. Empyrean weapons can be made in a few days, relics can be made in a few months on good runs. That is entirely not fair. Very few relics can compete with empyreans, and it isn't cool that someone can be better than another person over night who worked for months for his weapon.

[wish12oz]

The problem is, relic owners spend months making their weapon, only to be second best by weapons that take no time to get. Empyrean weapons can be made in a few days, relics can be made in a few months on good runs. That is entirely not fair. Very few relics can compete with empyreans, and it isn't cool that someone can be better than another person over night who worked for months for his weapon.

My problem with relics is two-fold.

First and foremost is this attitude the person I quoted has. The "ZOMG I spent forever upgrading this legitimately it should remain the best forever" attitude. You don't see the people who spent years acquiring Dalmaticas, adaberks, homam, ridill, heca gear, salvage gear, byakkos haidate, etc complaining that they got screwed. AF3 is better then that gear, and much easier to get. If those pieces are replaced, then good for the game, relics should be no different. Other games don't bother to let you continue to use old gear when new stuff is added and better. Relic owners should be happy they got magian trials to upgrade stuff at all and stfu about it.

Now, let me clear up my perspective of most relic holders, it might not be true for all servers, but on the 3 I have been on (I transferred once with some friends and got merged once), 95% of all the relics are owned by people who acquired them in a 'bad' fashion. They either fish botted gil while they slept and bought it, they RMTd gil to get it, or they made an LS and had said LS farm them gil/currency to get the relic. These are not people I give 2 craps about, and them getting hosed is perfectly fine with me. I fail to see how using any of these 3 methods that most people used to acquire relics makes them difficult to obtain, so people complaining about all the effort they put into it I see as liars or stupid.

[Henihhi]

I believe they are just trolling. You bring up good examples how there were almost always items released for the "casual" player but how the harder to obtain items were slightly better for those that devoted more time and effort.

[RichardNixon]

The real problem is weapons like the relic bow and gun being way too good compared to every other weapon in the game

the bow and gun really need nerfing