Monstrosity Feedback

[Fynlar]

As it has been said, the race attacks a little faster, yippy, but the -attack & no TPs alone is more than enough to make the race suck to the point of being nearly unplayable because of how horrible it is.

You're being a little melodramatic there, because I've played it and it isn't even anywhere near as bad as you claim.

As it has been said, the race attacks a little faster, yippy, but the -attack & no TPs alone is more than enough to make the race suck to the point of being nearly unplayable because of how horrible it is.

Then don't play it.

In the meantime, the rest of us (or me, at least) have gotten it to 60 just fine, gotten our haste+5 instinct, and moved on with our (my) life.

Yes you clearly aren't admitting it's a problem when your solution to things is either just don't play large parts of it or don't play it at all.

The problem lies with the playerbase here for being whiners that can't adapt, not the devs. One piddly monster out of 50 or whatever (soon to be way more) is not a "large part" of the content by any means.

[Demon6324236]

You're being a little melodramatic there, because I've played it and it isn't even anywhere near as bad as you claim.

Would you like to tell me what bonus a Chigoe gets that makes it worth losing TP attacks and 40% of its attack power which can result in much more potent & devastating attack down effects?

[Fynlar]

Would you like to tell me what bonus a Chigoe gets that makes it worth losing TP attacks and 40% of its attack power which can result in much more potent & devastating attack down effects?

No. You said the monster is unplayable, and I'm saying that's certainly not true, because I managed it, and without even wanting to kill myself in the process. I don't owe any further defense of my position than that.

You're just spoiled because almost every other monster has a slightly easier time of things, so as soon as one shows up that even remotely presents more of a challenge, there's immediately something wrong with the monster.

My point is, you have like 50 other monsters (again, soon to be more) that you can play if you want Easymode Monstrosity. Why are people compelled to complain about one monster being slightly harder to level than the rest? It's not even a matter of being different playstyles, like it is with our normal adventurer jobs. Every monster plays out almost exactly the same way, auto attack stuff to death while solo. It's not like you're missing out on some unique gameplay experience because chigoe is too hard for you to play.

Also, please stop bringing up the atk down effects like it's some kind of major issue. Even on mobs other than chigoe, it's typically best not to fight anything that puts atk down on you anyway unless you can Erase it. There are many other instances where mobs have an ability to completely cripple your ability to do damage, and I just don't see what makes this one any more noteworthy than the rest.

[Demon6324236]

You're just spoiled because almost every other monster has a slightly easier time of things, so as soon as one shows up that even remotely presents more of a challenge, there's immediately something wrong with the monster..

Balancing of this monster is off, that's why, its not a challenge, its simply not balanced properly. Attack down & no TP moves are supposed to be a balance for the faster attacks I would assume, however, that is broken because they do not make up for it, not even close. As I said earlier and it was brought up by others as well, for monsters that's fine, they work differently, but we get very badly effected by this attack down, which is why it needs changed.

[Fynlar]

Balancing of this monster is off, that's why, its not a challenge, its simply not balanced properly. Attack down & no TP moves are supposed to be a balance for the faster attacks I would assume, however, that is broken because they do not make up for it, not even close.

Worked well enough for me, and I wouldn't have even called it difficult, just slightly more challenging than playing mostly any other monster.

Not everything is going to be perfectly balanced unless everything is a carbon copy of each other. There's going to be characters/jobs/whatever that you don't feel like playing. This alone is not enough of a reason for changes to be made.

but we get very badly effected by this attack down, which is why it needs changed.

It, more than likely, is not going to change (due to the nature of the monster when it is not being used by a player; it has always been a weak attacker than attacked faster than normal), nor do I see a reason why it has to change.

You might as well complain about how unplayable wamouracampa is because of how slowly it moves. Surprise, that's how wamouracampa are. Double surprise, nobody's forcing you to play it!

[Demon6324236]

Worked well enough for me, and I wouldn't have even called it difficult, just slightly more challenging than playing mostly any other monster.

Did I say difficult? No, I said improperly balanced.

Not everything is going to be perfectly balanced unless everything is a carbon copy of each other. There's going to be characters/jobs/whatever that you don't feel like playing. This alone is not enough of a reason for changes to be made.

Did I ask for perfect balance? No, but this is easy to see how unbalanced it is, and easy to fix. Give it a 10% attack penalty that doesn't stack with other things, easy fix, makes it much more playable.

It, more than likely, is not going to change (due to the nature of the monster when it is not being used by a player; it has always been a weak attacker than attacked faster than normal), nor do I see a reason why it has to change.

Again, monsters play by different rules, unless monstrosity lets us play by their rules rather than the normal player rules, it screws this mob.

You might as well complain about how unplayable wamouracampa is because of how slowly it moves. Surprise, that's how wamouracampa are. Double surprise, nobody's forcing you to play it!

To get to the monsters that come after it, or its instincts, yes, people are.

[dasva]

The problem lies with the playerbase here for being whiners that can't adapt, not the devs. One piddly monster out of 50 or whatever (soon to be way more) is not a "large part" of the content by any means.

1 problem out of 50 is still a problem.... your lazy attitude about it doesn't really mean anything nor make it not a problem

[dasva]

You might as well complain about how unplayable wamouracampa is because of how slowly it moves. Surprise, that's how wamouracampa are. Double surprise, nobody's forcing you to play it!

1. It isn't that slow and there aren't exactly alot of gravity moves out there to make it really that painful.
2. You can pull mobs to you
3. You have tp moves that make to AOE kill tons of ITs at once making it lvl actually alot faster than alot of other monsters
4. That actually is how the mob is this isn't how chigoes really are

You're just spoiled because almost every other monster has a slightly easier time of things, so as soon as one shows up that even remotely presents more of a challenge, there's immediately something wrong with the monster.

Stop lieing. I lvld 7 monsters to 60+. It's ALOT harder. And you are completely missing the point having such a large difference is the problem.

My point is, you have like 50 other monsters (again, soon to be more) that you can play if you want Easymode Monstrosity. Why are people compelled to complain about one monster being slightly harder to level than the rest? It's not even a matter of being different playstyles, like it is with our normal adventurer jobs. Every monster plays out almost exactly the same way, auto attack stuff to death while solo. It's not like you're missing out on some unique gameplay experience because chigoe is too hard for you to play.

Not fixing one thing just because there are other options is a very poor excuse. Hey guys let's not fix things wrong with reives because heck there are litterally hundreds of events in the game. Let's not fix a job because there are 21 others. Let's not even develop content because there is so much already and some people will apparently just lap up any POS SE hands them and say sir can I have another.

Also, please stop bringing up the atk down effects like it's some kind of major issue. Even on mobs other than chigoe, it's typically best not to fight anything that puts atk down on you anyway unless you can Erase it. There are many other instances where mobs have an ability to completely cripple your ability to do damage, and I just don't see what makes this one any more noteworthy than the rest.

Are you really that dense? Have you not lvled up before the regular old way? Triple bats and worms have always been a staple of lvling since the game came out. As are things like crawlers and crabs. This is even without erase. I fought them all the time because I had so much att and because of it factoring additively with my native attack bonuses it had less of an effect then it would've even normal players. So I can easily power thru it and ones like say bats and worms are so squishy and usually easier to fight that it doesn't matter when I still have a decent amount of att. But when I have 40 at lvl 60 I can't do shit. And the reason why this is noteworthy is because it only cripples 1 monster. GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD. SOMETHING IS COMPLETELY CRIPPLING 1 MONSTER WHILE LEAVING THE REST BARELY EFFECTED. This would be like if your previous petrify example if petrify lasted for 10 seconds on most job and 3 minutes against 1 job. At this point I think you actually do see the problem but after posting a bunch of stuff based on things that have been proven wrong you just can't stop sticking to your guns even though you know how wrong you are. But keep on keeping on. It's very entertaining in a sad kind of way

[Fynlar]

1 problem out of 50 is still a problem.... your lazy attitude about it doesn't really mean anything nor make it not a problem

"I don't like it" doesn't qualify as an actual problem, fyi

1. It isn't that slow and there aren't exactly alot of gravity moves out there to make it really that painful.

Chigoe isn't that ineffective at killing things and there aren't exactly a lot of atk down moves out there to make it really that painful.

3. You have tp moves that make to AOE kill tons of ITs at once making it lvl actually alot faster than alot of other monsters

Most monsters can't actually do that, either because the AoEs aren't strong enough, or because the TP cost is too high. Usually it's both.

4. That actually is how the mob is this isn't how chigoes really are

Uhh, yes it is. They have always hit lightly and more frequently.

Stop lieing. I lvld 7 monsters to 60+. It's ALOT harder. And you are completely missing the point having such a large difference is the problem.

I've done more than you. You still want to try playing the experience card with me?

Not fixing one thing just because there are other options is a very poor excuse. Hey guys let's not fix things wrong with reives because heck there are litterally hundreds of events in the game. Let's not fix a job because there are 21 others.

I don't propose that they fix things here because I don't believe anything is broken. Chigoe is, to borrow a phrase that I'm sure everyone hates, working as intended.

[dasva]

"I don't like it" doesn't qualify as an actual problem, fyi

Making stuff up doesn't qualify as a real counter arugment either fyi. No matter how many times you try to claim how minor this is or how balance it is or how I should just equip more att instincts or how there is somehow nothing wrong with making it so certain moves reduce 1 monsters dmg to 0 while barely reducing other monsters dmg wont make it so.

Chigoe isn't that ineffective at killing things and there aren't exactly a lot of atk down moves out there to make it really that painful.

Most monsters can't actually do that, either because the AoEs aren't strong enough, or because the TP cost is too high. Usually it's both.

Tell me another story grandpa. Also how in the hell are you responding to what I was saying about wamoura with stuff about chigoe. Keep your stories straight man. Either way like already said bats and worms are staples of lvling Very common and squishy and def up moves hurt almost as much in such a lopsided way and those mobs are also plentiful easy common mobs to lvl up on. They are relatively speaking common buffs/debuffs on xp mobs. I'll grant you in these days many players don't seem to know what xp mobs are or do since people abyssea burn everything so that's probably why you don't know this

Uhh, yes it is. They have always hit lightly and more frequently.

No that isn't and I dare you to in any way shape or form prove regular chigoes have a -40% att that stacks addivitely with attack downs to the point where you can reduce there dmg to 0 with no buffs just an attack down move. I'll be waiting

I've done more than you. You still want to try playing the experience card with me?

Assuming you aren't lieing yet again you clearly weren't awake during it. Otherwise you'd know just how wrong the things you are saying are. Slighlty harder psh. In the time it takes to get those last 10 lvls for the chigoe instinct I have litterally take another monster from 0 to 60. And sure a little of that is the crappy job choices chigoe gets cause native chigoes only have ones that are unsuitable for solo lvling like this but most of it is this BS attack thing and no tp moves. Speaking of which even before you get rdm sub the other thf vermin ie ladybug was miles stronger so it's not even just a job thing. And once you get rdm sub and that good AOE move... well from lvl 50 when I got the move to 75 when I stopped ladybug I was litterally getting anywhere from a full half to a full lvl each pull I did. Though I did have to be somewhat selective on my targets

I don't propose that they fix things here because I don't believe anything is broken. Chigoe is, to borrow a phrase that I'm sure everyone hates, working as intended.

If you really believed that you wouldn't be suggesting avoiding entire mob families all together or just not playing the job. Regardless working as intended doesn't always mean it isn't broken. In fact really if often doesn't mean that as far as when SE uses it. I mean for years using utsesmi to tank was considered not working as intended lol. Several blu spells that haven't worked for 3 years were considered working as intended until recently... well hopefully they might just be feeding us false hope on that one. Something that litterally reduces 1 and only 1 monsters dmg to 0 in a game that has never done that in over 10 years of being out is clearly broken. Especially in something is intended for pvp as the only way to obtain rewards. But whatever it's not like I actually expected you to use reason or see your own self contradictions. This is mostly to demonstrate the sheer magnitude of the inequity of the situation. First and foremost to SE in hopes reading this they realize this might need adjustment... which is kinda the point of threads like this and they do do that. And secondly to the community so if SE fails they know what they have in store for them. Thank you again for the lulz. It was fun almost as fun as getting my diremite from 54 to 60 while writing this not even paying attention really. Shame it's not /rdm would been that much faster