Low level exp parties

[Daemon]

So you're saying that BST, the most traditional soloing job in the game, could learn a lot about the job by soloing? You're not exactly going out on a limb there.

The vast majority of jobs in the game will not learn anything about party mechanics from soloing. Unless your whole point was that if you solo a lot you get better at soloing, in which case I'm not sure it's possible to be wrong.

Maybe so, but players are suppose to learn the basics of how to gear, carry meds and food, survival by checking/dodging mobs, earn Gil farming (because you cannot earn it off skeletons in gusgen mines), skilling up on your own, buying gear and playing around with new equipment, macros, weaponskills, crafting that can help while soloing, questing and making use of the items that help you advance faster.

Still to this very day people show up at end game events not even capped skills, no food and meds and poorly equipped.

Last /yell in Jeuno I saw "Delve plasm farm "please have AF3 minimum requirement."

[detlef]

We're not talking about new players. This discussion came about when somebody accused the OP of being overly reliant on book burns for XP. It's readily apparent that the OP has at least XPed a few jobs to level cap and "the basics" you're describing probably does not apply.

[Demon6324236]

The biggest shock I think I ever got was when this 99 BST comes running past me with aggro asking me to save him (I'm on PUP) and I'm like, "dude, just Charm it!" The response was "wait, I can charm stuff? how?".

This kind of response comes from someone who is retarded. There is no other way someone could actually unlock a job, fail to know about its primary function which is using a pet, fail to look at any of its job abilities, ever, at all, and still manage to get to level 99. No matter if they did a party or did it solo or did it in Gusgen, they would be just as clueless I think. Someone stupid enough to not even look at their JAs & what they do is the kind of person in my opinion who is not going to learn no matter if they did it slow or if they simply skipped leveling entirely.

[Daemon]

We're not talking about new players. This discussion came about when somebody accused the OP of being overly reliant on book burns for XP. It's readily apparent that the OP has at least XPed a few jobs to level cap and "the basics" you're describing probably does not apply.

I came back to FFXI last year started a brand new account, no Gil and no LS. I solod to 30 the oldschool way because I did not know about Gusgen mines and burning pages. Wasn't hard at all in fact I was overwhelmed how much easier FFXI is now compared to before Abyssea.

Did my own Subjob quest solo and then met a friend who helped me out throughout the game catch up which did kill the time by a a lot having only 1 friend.

She did not give me Gil nor did I asked for it. And I did not even own abyssea and reached level 75+ before I bought the expansion.

[Anjou]

I actually solo'd my BLU all the way to 99 (Kinda have to if you wanna be up to snuff on the spells)

The reason I don't like soloing...TOO...QUIET.

[Daemon]

This kind of response comes from someone who is retarded. There is no other way someone could actually unlock a job, fail to know about its primary function which is using a pet, fail to look at any of its job abilities, ever, at all, and still manage to get to level 99. No matter if they did a party or did it solo or did it in Gusgen, they would be just as clueless I think. Someone stupid enough to not even look at their JAs & what they do is the kind of person in my opinion who is not going to learn no matter if they did it slow or if they simply skipped leveling entirely.

I can believe it thanks to FC. You could be a level 99 on another job do BST quest, then FC to 99 on BST and still not know to play the job.

[Daemon]

I actually solo'd my BLU all the way to 99 (Kinda have to if you wanna be up to snuff on the spells)

The reason I don't like soloing...TOO...QUIET.

True but leveling to 99 solo and leveling to 30 solo is a huge difference.

[Demon6324236]

I can believe it thanks to FC. You could be a level 99 on another job do BST quest, then FC to 99 on BST and still not know to play the job.

If you even make it to level 10 without checking your Job Ability list a single time, your beyond hope in my opinion. So unless you get into Gusgen at level 1, get to 30 literally doing nothing but standing there afk, then join a FC and again get to 99 standing there afk, you have no excuse for not having looked at your JAs in my opinion. At that point, I doubt any amount of making you solo things or level slowly would create a competent and good player in all honesty, even if it sounds mean or rude, because you fail to understand the basics of exploring what a job can do. Without even the most simple level of exploring such a thing, such as looking at your Job Abilities you gain as you level, I doubt you can ever truly explore what your job is capable of and understand how to put it to effective use, which to me, means you will never be a good player. That, is why I say someone who could literally get to 99 BST without understanding the basic function that is Charm, or knowing that Charm is even existant, is beyond hope.

[Daemon]

If you even make it to level 10 without checking your Job Ability list a single time, your beyond hope in my opinion. So unless you get into Gusgen at level 1, get to 30 literally doing nothing but standing there afk, then join a FC and again get to 99 standing there afk, you have no excuse for not having looked at your JAs in my opinion. At that point, I doubt any amount of making you solo things or level slowly would create a competent and good player in all honesty, even if it sounds mean or rude, because you fail to understand the basics of exploring what a job can do. Without even the most simple level of exploring such a thing, such as looking at your Job Abilities you gain as you level, I doubt you can ever truly explore what your job is capable of and understand how to put it to effective use, which to me, means you will never be a good player. That, is why I say someone who could literally get to 99 BST without understanding the basic function that is Charm, or knowing that Charm is even existant, is beyond hope.

True but even I never used charm at lower levels. In fact I never used it til reaching 99. In gusgen mines the only thing to charm was Fungar and rather than risk the entire party I just chose to go all out on Axing stuff instead. And well Abby at 30? Keying til I could reach high enough level, go out and skill up axe, raise merits etc. save Gil.

The again could have been a duel boxers mule.

Look I'm not saying people shouldn't have common sense. Just there are people out there who don't have it. Sad huh...

[Hawklaser]

Mages? How many WHM know how to be patient and spam lower level cures to conserve mp rather than use the highest tier all because it heals people faster?

Nukers trying to be a 1 man show depleting MP while drawing hate for nuking too hard when spamming lowest tier can build up to better damage over time?

Then you have DDs who don't know that if they are taking too much damage to begin with they shouldn't be eager to tank a mob especially if a War or Pld is in the party.

I could go on really...

The difference here is mages and tanks function much differently in a party than solo. DD is actually pretty straight forward, and really if the DD is getting wailed on, and is not hate capped alongside several other players, would say the issue is more often the tanks fault than the DD. Not saying every time the fault is with the tank, sometimes the DD's do keep using abilities they should not.