This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

[OmnysValefor]

Two other people in that same Yumcax, myself included, got nothing but Arrowwood logs.

I don't know man... poor design is poor design.

[Daemon]

Two other people in that same Yumcax, myself included, got nothing but Arrowwood logs.

I don't know man... poor design is poor design.

I'm not disagreeing with you that it sucks by the way.

I'm just saying give it time in a sense that this event does not look complete. I see the DEV team possibly adding other features later.

It does lack but in order to give them time to work on projects they need events that will stall people. WR looks like one of those events.

VW wasn't perfect when it first was implemented. And my point to you was it takes time to see results before adjustments can further be made. They already adjusted several things that effect WR, they need to see how it will play out.

I'm not saying don't give feedback. Just present feedback rather than complaints. It will make it much more easier on the DEV TEAM than weed out pointless rants with the serious ideas that others present.

I made that AF4 thread twice. The first one did not get enough attention. So i made a new one as presenting an idea than giving a complaint rant.

Then I observed one of the things implemented that was related to my idea and posted a copy and comment on my AF4 thread, which I then noticed the Community reps not only respond to me but several others on the same day.

(The reason I understand why they responded was because they could give official word on the comment I made.)

I also was trying to tell you that Community reps may not answer people on a daily basis on the spot because they need to have answers ready before they do otherwise conflicts happen.

How can you address many questions on every single forum if you don't have any official answer to give?

This is why I said be patient and give them room to breathe. It doesn't help to read and translate every single topic, comment on a daily basis especially if the majority is bashing DEVS, Community Reps, SE and ignoring the work they did in the current updates.

Because my attitude has changed to be more understanding and now I present my ideas at a different approach, I think that would be much more welcoming to the people behind the scenes.

[detlef]

I'm not saying don't give feedback. Just present feedback rather than complaints. It will make it much more easier on the DEV TEAM than weed out pointless rants with the serious ideas that others present.

"This sucks and here's why" is perfectly valid feedback. On the NA side, it might not be sufficient to make a well-reasoned post. It never hurts to have mass outrage and sheer number of complaints on your side. Oh and of course hope the JPs have the same complaints.

[FrankReynolds]

"This sucks and here's why" is perfectly valid feedback. On the NA side, it might not be sufficient to make a well-reasoned post. It never hurts to have mass outrage and sheer number of complaints on your side. Oh and of course hope the JPs have the same complaints.

They almost always do. The only difference is that they say stuff like "Matsui San, please kindly consider increasing the drop rate on these. I believe your intentions have been to create a fun event that everyone can do and I believe that you have made great progress, but many players talk about how unrewarding it can be in terms of items. Perhaps in future updates you could possibly increase the rewards".

Instead of "WTF Man?!? This event sucks. 1,000 fights and no drops? What kind of skinner box BS is this?!? You should be ashamed of yourselves!".

To be honest, I admire the humble politeness of the JPs, but It doesn't seem to be getting the point across.

On the point of VW: It sucked. I pretty much just skipped it and didn't play much for a long time because that's all there was. A lot of people Did do it, but then pretty much stopped playing because it sucked and that's all there was. Like me, most of them probably didn't flat out cancel, so I guess that's a success?

[Daemon]

They almost always do. The only difference is that they say stuff like "Matsui San, please kindly consider increasing the drop rate on these. I believe your intentions have been to create a fun event that everyone can do and I believe that you have made great progress, but many players talk about how unrewarding it can be in terms of items. Perhaps in future updates you could possibly increase the rewards".

Instead of "WTF Man?!? This event sucks. 1,000 fights and no drops? What kind of skinner box BS is this?!? You should be ashamed of yourselves!".

To be honest, I admire the humble politeness of the JPs, but It doesn't seem to be getting the point across.

On the point of VW: It sucked. I pretty much just skipped it and didn't play much for a long time because that's all there was. A lot of people Did do it, but then pretty much stopped playing because it sucked and that's all there was. Like me, most of them probably didn't flat out cancel, so I guess that's a success?

Yeah what Frank said. It's just translating insults can make Asians feel really bad. I mean here in NA people don't care but Korea, Japan have respect, courtesy, manners grinded into everyone.

You are lucky not to be born in Korea. Anyone older than you by 1-2 years old have authority to discipline you if you disrespect someone. Sad thing is you are not allowed to resist the beatings even if its someone you don't know or else police will join in and beat you to a pulp.

Schools are separated between males and females only. To prevent distraction. And teachers have very strict punishments. Like beat students with a ruler, make a person bow down on their knees outside and stay for hours.

Also the Majority of JP players age range 30+. When I went to Japan my friend told me kids do not play video games. Only responsible adults. Because school is first priority. Dunno how its like now.

When I stood in line on the day of PS2 launch, only business men were in a massive line ready to buy it. I did not see any kids.

Heck even I saw a woman leave her purse outside on her bicycle in broad daylight in front of Blockbuster. Apparently stealing is equivalent to murder. They will humiliate you by placing you on the front page of every newspaper, news station, radio etc.

[FrankReynolds]

Yeah what Frank said. It's just translating insults can make Asians feel really bad. I mean here in NA people don't care but Korea, Japan have respect, courtesy, manners grinded into everyone.

You are lucky not to be born in Korea. Anyone older than you by 1-2 years old have authority to discipline you if you disrespect someone. Sad thing is you are not allowed to resist the beatings even if its someone you don't know or else police will join in and beat you to a pulp.

Schools are separated between males and females only. To prevent distraction. And teachers have very strict punishments. Like beat students with a ruler, make a person bow down on their knees outside and stay for hours.

Also the Majority of JP players age range 30+. When I went to Japan my friend told me kids do not play video games. Only responsible adults. Because school is first priority. Dunno how its like now.

When I stood in line on the day of PS2 launch, only business men were in a massive line ready to buy it. I did not see any kids.

Heck even I saw a woman leave her purse outside on her bicycle in broad daylight in front of Blockbuster. Apparently stealing is equivalent to murder. They will humiliate you by placing you on the front page of every newspaper, news station, radio etc.

I dunno, let's not blanket apply this to everyone in those countries. I have a friend who works at a major electronics company in Japan. Last we spoke, he was managing a division involved in manufacturing machines / robots that build hard disk drives. He loves to post pictures of himself getting trashed with the executives and a bunch of strippers. He spends a lot of time in Korea and Thailand too, as that is where most of the actual manufacturing takes place. It's no wonder hard drives fail so much. Sometimes I wonder if he actually does any work or if he just gets drunk with a bunch of guys who use neckties for headbands for a living...

Any ways, the point wasn't that Asian people are nice or mean. The point was that I don't think the severity of the situation or the passion of the players is often adequately conveyed to the people making the changes. Whether it's due to the general politeness of the JP culture or just aggressive forum moderation, I don't know. It doesn't really matter.


Anyways, back on topic: This event has already basically died on Cerberus and I'm gonna have to go ahead and say that crappy drop rates and incredibly long fights killed it, since I don't see very many people rocking the gear.

On a related note, I've been really trying to do stuff in Yorcia Weald to get the rate up and cooperate with the devs, but I have to say... That zone just straight up sucks. They should delete it and start over from scratch.

[detlef]

They almost always do. The only difference is that they say stuff like "Matsui San, please kindly consider increasing the drop rate on these. I believe your intentions have been to create a fun event that everyone can do and I believe that you have made great progress, but many players talk about how unrewarding it can be in terms of items. Perhaps in future updates you could possibly increase the rewards".

Instead of "WTF Man?!? This event sucks. 1,000 fights and no drops? What kind of skinner box BS is this?!? You should be ashamed of yourselves!".

That second quote isn't all that bad. It's easy to read and gets the point across without being insulting. I think you have to go slightly over the top to get convey a little actual emotion sometimes.

Cultural differences are fine to be pointed out, but JP can be horrible people on the internet too. Just maybe not here.

I actually think the biggest difference is that NA don't "like" each others' posts enough.

[detlef]

Valefor just endured a 13-hour Yumcax. I was there for 8 hours and received herb seeds for my trouble. That is just terrible and is the kind of thing that justifies taking a break from the game. I'm glad Daemon doesn't play XI anymore so he can't post that we should wait and see what the devs have planned.

[Demon6324236]

He was a friend, I cant say the same about being happy hes gone.

So far as WKs go, I was in 1 2 nights ago, I got a Lesser Chigoe, nothing more. I also went to a Yumcax yesterday which shouted for probably close to 4~6 hours that I saw, people had so little hope in that battle that around hour 4, it went form 40 people, to 20 people, by the time I warped out and had given up completely, we had 7 people left. The battle took to long and to many people that we constantly wiped any time we tried to get started, shouts were going badly because there was no interest, and we ended up simply calling it quits, all of my 70k Bayld was wasted in every way possible, because it went to absolutely nothing, all because the battle is that poor.

Rewards are a large issue, but lets not forget the battles themselves are bad as well, and part of why the reward issue is so bad too, after all, if it took 1~2 hours a fight, I doubt we would complain about WKs very much, but with most people experiencing many back to back 5+ hour marathon battles with WKs, it only makes the sting of getting nothing in the end that much worse.

[Umichi]

those fights are still taking 4+ hours on your servers? :3