This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

[Daemon]

So we should not be guaranteed a rare drop from this hard, non-spammable battles which require so many people. One of my largest problems with everything you have been saying.

Well look at the items that Nakuuls give you? Way better items than Voidwatch. I hated doing endless quests to gain warps, temps, stones, cruor to upgrade atmas, spamming cells just to increase changes of getting nothing.

SAs I said, adding Plasm to WKs does not kill Plasm farming in any way. If in a 3 hour fight you get 25k Plasm by capping out your Bayld & Plasm, that means in the same 3 hours you could have done 3 Plasm runs, rewarding 8~10k a piece, ending up with 24~30k total. The difference is the difficulty, target, and amount of people needed, a WK needs 100+ to do fast, 50+ might be enough to complete the battle if you take half a day and never wipe, or have any kind of issues with the NM & deaths, while a Plasm run takes 18 people, and takes 45 minutes a run with maybe 15~20 minutes to refill lost people. Its not killing other content, requirement has been met.

Plasm is not reives... It's Delve. And I appreciate Delve as a separate event. Why are you not understanding this?

SI have seen more complaints about the content being boring, repetitive, or unrewarding than I have complaints about there being nothing to do, and often times, the complaints about there being nothing to do are given by people who do nothing it seems. For instance I have people I know who complain about there being nothing to do in the game, while the only thing they really do is Reives, Delve, and Abyssea, while there is a ton more, just no one does it.

Well yeah because people choose not to do things they don't want to do. I can't make you go to to a basketball game if your interest is football. I can't drag you to a Greenday concert if you like Jay Z. Point is no one will have the same interest in events as others. But you wouldn't want to take part of a Greenday concert and mix it in with a JayZ concert just because you think it's better that way.

Yay, I have something to do that is better than sitting in town doing nothing, now I can hopelessly fight the same NM over and over again in battles that take hours upon hours and requires a ton of people just so we can kill it, only for me to get a log in the end.

Not everyone plays the same hours as you DJ. Not everyone progress as fast as you and lately now that I've been away from the game a bit. I'm seeing things differently like those who play 18 hours a day will have more rage and disappointment than those who play a few hours a week.

Since I last said something about the drops I have gotten. So far, I have the Neck and Great Axe from Yumcax, as well as the Scythe, Axe, Bullet, and Grip from Hurkan. Out of the 12 drops between these two NMs, I originally wanted 7 items, the Head, Hands, Club, Cape, and Great axe from Yumcax, as well as the Head and Feet from Hurkan. 4 days ago I got my Buramenk'ah, which has boosted my RDM's DPS so much so I no longer need my WAR, my WAR's only use was Plasm Farms, something I no longer need since I do them on RDM now. As such, I no longer needed Ixtab, which I finally got night before last, 2 days after obtaining my Buramenk'ah. So continuing with tradition on WKs and me, I still have yet to get a single item I actually needed while it was relevant for me. I now own 6 out of 12 items, none of which I have a use for. Thank you SE, thank you.

Yeah and i'm sure others don't have any of those drops or even come close to having half of what you have now. I sure as hell don't have 1 single drop yet. But I'm not complaining. Although you already got 6 items now out of 12 only makes me wonder why are you even complaining? I can understand if you got 0 drops but you already got 6. Yeah I agree it might be stuff you didn't want but you did get something you did want so that should be enough reason to be happy.

I wish I had Buramenk'ah >.> Nice to have 1 item make such a huge difference wonders why people think WR is too hard, not good enough. That only tells me items that drop from WR are powerful enough to be the only rewarded needed.

[Demon6324236]

Well look at the items that Nakuuls give you? Way better items than Voidwatch. I hated doing endless quests to gain warps, temps, stones, cruor to upgrade atmas, spamming cells just to increase changes of getting nothing.

For their time, VW drops were amazing, now they are trash, and WK items are amazing, in 3 months, Yumcax/Hurkan drops will be trash, and fuckemupNM#2's drops will be amazing, so goes the continuity of the game. The problem is, the items being outdated in such a way should not be so rare that someone like you or I can not obtain them no matter our efforts simply because luck does not favor us, you should know that...

Plasm is not reives... It's Delve. And I appreciate Delve as a separate event. Why are you not understanding this?

Again, Cruor came from both VW and Abyssea, different events. Separate events do not always have different currencies. Also in either case, you said it had to not kill off an event, I simply explained how it does not kill off an event, thus, it is in accordance with the single stipulation you mentioned in that post.

Well yeah because people choose not to do things they don't want to do. I can't make you go to to a basketball game if your interest is football. I can't drag you to a Greenday concert if you like Jay Z. Point is no one will have the same interest in events as others. But you wouldn't want to take part of a Greenday concert and mix it in with a JayZ concert just because you think it's better that way.

If you take the best part of 2 events and put them into 1, that's a great thing, SE almost never does that though. I did not say make everyone do all of the content, but I did say most people complain about there not being enough content while they do not do most of it. Half the people I know who say they have nothing to do have no idea what half the content in the game is, I have had people say they were bored, I ask if they want to do something like Salvage, and they have no idea what it is because its not the most popular thing right now. People often complain about a lack of content because they simply do not look for it, they just do whatever other people do that's popular and screw the rest. Like I said, cant force them to like content, but you can show those who are ignorant to its existence that its there in the first place.

Not everyone plays the same hours as you DJ. Not everyone progress as fast as you and lately now that I've been away from the game a bit. I'm seeing things differently like those who play 18 hours a day will have more rage and disappointment than those who play a few hours a week.

As I said way earlier in this thread, your right, not everyone plays the same hours as me, for instance, my GF, she is does not have enough time to do WKs, we have went to 3 together, every time she is there about a hour, by the time the fight actually starts she is about to goto sleep because she has work, then I end up having to dualbox her for the rest of the fight. How hopeless do you think she feels though? Its not as though SE looks at how much she plays and automatically adjusts the rates for her so she will get her gear sooner than someone like me who plays all the time now is it? No, I can spam it every time I see a shout for Yumcax, she does not have that freedom. Her disappointment is no less, the difference is what we are disappointed about, she is not so much disappointed that she can not obtain anything from it, trust me, shes not to happy about it either, but at the same time, shes disappointed she does not even have the time to participate in the event itself!

Yeah and i'm sure others don't have any of those drops or even come close to having half of what you have now. I sure as hell don't have 1 single drop yet. But I'm not complaining.

Again, you have participated how many times? Exactly.

Although you already got 6 items now out of 12 only makes me wonder why are you even complaining?

Why? Because I have 6 items, the 6 I don't need, the 6 I don't want, if I drop them, no better chance at what I want, if I keep them, no better chance at what I want. If they fixed the system, I could hold onto them, do more fights, and get what I want, right now, I have no better chance at my Buremte gear from fighting Yumcax than I had my very first fight I ever did, no better chance at all, that's why I am complaining. I want the gear I actually went for, I have no way to influence it, and in my numerous repeats I have never got a single piece of gear I actually needed from the battle.

I can understand if you got 0 drops but you already got 6. Yeah I agree it might be stuff you didn't want but you did get something you did want so that should be enough reason to be happy.

So let me get this straight. I should be happy they gave me something I have no use for, lets go through the list real fast, Ill go from the first drop I got till last ok?

The Bullet. My COR is 99 at least, because I was going to use it for VW at one point, but I do not really know the job that well, its skills are gimped still, I can use RDM for all content relevant now, it seems like I don't need it to me.

The Axe. I did up Cemine's BST quite well, I never did DJ's BST because I have limited room, and I knew if I wanted to really gear BST up, a set for my pet, a set for TP, WS, move speed, reward, and so on, I would need a lot of room. In the end, I got the best Axe, but on the wrong character, as such, not really useful to me, since I cant trade it to other accounts under my control, and Cemine isn't on this account.

The Ranged Attack Neck. RDM has Magic, I do not need to use a bow, my RNG is level 67, my aforementioned COR is pathetic, this holds no use for me.

The Scythe. Its a scythe, and its not Apoc.

The Great Axe, this would have been helpful a week ago, or rather, 3 weeks ago, when I was going to Plasm Farms a lot, but now I get all the Plasm I need from Tojil, so its not important to me for that. Also, I can do Plasm Farms on RDM now, so again, I no longer need it, this I got most recently as well.



So, I should be happy I got all of these things I can not put to good use, rather than getting something I can put to good use. At the same time I should be happy there is no way for this to impact my chances of getting what I actually wanted, and can actually use, upon repeat battles. Really man, how does this make sense? How does this not sound completely stupid to you?

[Daemon]

For their time, VW drops were amazing, now they are trash, and WK items are amazing, in 3 months, Yumcax/Hurkan drops will be trash, and fuckemupNM#2's drops will be amazing, so goes the continuity of the game. The problem is, the items being outdated in such a way should not be so rare that someone like you or I can not obtain them no matter our efforts simply because luck does not favor us, you should know that...

Again, Cruor came from both VW and Abyssea, different events. Separate events do not always have different currencies. Also in either case, you said it had to not kill off an event, I simply explained how it does not kill off an event, thus, it is in accordance with the single stipulation you mentioned in that post.

If you take the best part of 2 events and put them into 1, that's a great thing, SE almost never does that though. I did not say make everyone do all of the content, but I did say most people complain about there not being enough content while they do not do most of it. Half the people I know who say they have nothing to do have no idea what half the content in the game is, I have had people say they were bored, I ask if they want to do something like Salvage, and they have no idea what it is because its not the most popular thing right now. People often complain about a lack of content because they simply do not look for it, they just do whatever other people do that's popular and screw the rest. Like I said, cant force them to like content, but you can show those who are ignorant to its existence that its there in the first place.

As I said way earlier in this thread, your right, not everyone plays the same hours as me, for instance, my GF, she is does not have enough time to do WKs, we have went to 3 together, every time she is there about a hour, by the time the fight actually starts she is about to goto sleep because she has work, then I end up having to dualbox her for the rest of the fight. How hopeless do you think she feels though? Its not as though SE looks at how much she plays and automatically adjusts the rates for her so she will get her gear sooner than someone like me who plays all the time now is it? No, I can spam it every time I see a shout for Yumcax, she does not have that freedom. Her disappointment is no less, the difference is what we are disappointed about, she is not so much disappointed that she can not obtain anything from it, trust me, shes not to happy about it either, but at the same time, shes disappointed she does not even have the time to participate in the event itself!

Again, you have participated how many times? Exactly.

Why? Because I have 6 items, the 6 I don't need, the 6 I don't want, if I drop them, no better chance at what I want, if I keep them, no better chance at what I want. If they fixed the system, I could hold onto them, do more fights, and get what I want, right now, I have no better chance at my Buremte gear from fighting Yumcax than I had my very first fight I ever did, no better chance at all, that's why I am complaining. I want the gear I actually went for, I have no way to influence it, and in my numerous repeats I have never got a single piece of gear I actually needed from the battle.

So let me get this straight. I should be happy they gave me something I have no use for, lets go through the list real fast, Ill go from the first drop I got till last ok?

The Bullet. My COR is 99 at least, because I was going to use it for VW at one point, but I do not really know the job that well, its skills are gimped still, I can use RDM for all content relevant now, it seems like I don't need it to me.

The Axe. I did up Cemine's BST quite well, I never did DJ's BST because I have limited room, and I knew if I wanted to really gear BST up, a set for my pet, a set for TP, WS, move speed, reward, and so on, I would need a lot of room. In the end, I got the best Axe, but on the wrong character, as such, not really useful to me, since I cant trade it to other accounts under my control, and Cemine isn't on this account.

The Ranged Attack Neck. RDM has Magic, I do not need to use a bow, my RNG is level 67, my aforementioned COR is pathetic, this holds no use for me.

The Scythe. Its a scythe, and its not Apoc.

The Great Axe, this would have been helpful a week ago, or rather, 3 weeks ago, when I was going to Plasm Farms a lot, but now I get all the Plasm I need from Tojil, so its not important to me for that. Also, I can do Plasm Farms on RDM now, so again, I no longer need it, this I got most recently as well.



So, I should be happy I got all of these things I can not put to good use, rather than getting something I can put to good use. At the same time I should be happy there is no way for this to impact my chances of getting what I actually wanted, and can actually use, upon repeat battles. Really man, how does this make sense? How does this not sound completely stupid to you?

Job level cap is 99. Artificially SE is releasing items to bring level power up past 99.

Unless SE plans to forever add harder content, item levels to reach level 100,000,000+ if I'm alive to see that day in the year 3050 or whatever.

I think you are playing way too fast and treating items as if they are temporary trash to be replaced in the next few months.

SoA is a new expansion. I'm sure SE is NOT going to implement stuff endlessly. At some point they will have to stop and let events last for a certain amount of time before implementing the next big thing. I just don't think there is a point of complaining in an event that's happening now because its going to end and I need to get everything I want before that happens.

If you got your sword, then why are you not enoying it because I'm sure many other are envying you right now.

And having that 1 item should be enough reason for you to continue playing WR to get the rest of the items you want.

I'm sure if I spend 20 hours a day I could have rares by now but I choose not to. I don't want to bore myself quickly for playing the content too fast.

[Demon6324236]

Job level cap is 99. Artificially SE is releasing items to bring level power up past 99.

Unless SE plans to forever add harder content, item levels to reach level 100,000,000+ if I'm alive to see that day in the year 3050 or whatever.

Besides the obviously stupid part of this, suffice it to say, that seems to be their intention going ahead as they did say after all that they want to move forward with a tree like progression system which would involve doing 1 thing before the next. The only way to do this, is make the next content hard enough to need previous content to be completed in order to have a chance at victory, as such, if they stop making harder content, this tree stops growing, which does not seem to be their plan.

I think you are playing way too fast and treating items as if they are temporary trash to be replaced in the next few months.

I might be, but at the same time, I expect to get something when I do something. VW I barely tolerated and only because there was no assurance in the future I could get something better, for instance I actually needed Heka's on RDM to cap cure potency without changing out my swords, so even if I did not get it as early as I did, I would have continued to spam that NM for a very, very long time. Right now, that has changed, they have made it clear they will implement better gear each time, over and over, so chances are, especially with WKs, that if I do not get my gear right now, there will be better versions later. Look at Ceizak WK vs Ceizak Delve Boss, the gear uses the same look, most of the stats are the same with only 1 or 2 differences, but overall the Delve gear is better. Why would one believe that Yorcia & Marjami will not be the same way, if it is, why bother going through the pain and annoyance of trying to get the gear from the WKs now when in a few months I can do Yumcax Delve Edition with a group of friends and get my drop for sure if it drops, or at least buy it with Plasm later when I have it? You think I am playing to fast, well like I said, I might be, but at the same time, I am thinking ahead, and thinking of how much I might be wasting my time doing things for gear now if its just going to be beaten later. After all, why put myself through so much trouble for a piece of gear now that wont be that great next month?

If you got your sword, then why are you not enoying it because I'm sure many other are envying you right now.

I am enjoying it, but that does not mean just because I am happy I have a single thing I wanted that I no longer strive to improve, that I am in any less need of this gear. What you say implies that I simply got it and at the same time devalued the accomplishment by wanting something else instantly, no, I wanted both since they came out, I finally got one, I am happy I have the one I have, but it does not mean all of a sudden WKs are gonna be funner, more rewarding, or that I will get my gear easier.

And having that 1 item should be enough reason for you to continue playing WR to get the rest of the items you want.

Please explain the connection my Buramenk'ah has to Yumcax and Hurkan that should encourage my continued efforts to obtain their gear. I am all ears.