This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

[Daemon]

Were not talking about you being 'elite' we are talking about you being experienced with a NM, experience with you lack.

I said nothing about your overall skill or anything of the sort, this is one of your issues you are having here. This is not about your skill, your intellect, or anything of the sort, its simply a matter of experience, and now that you have said you have only fought Tojil once, it really comes down to the fact you simply do not have that experience. I am not saying you have to kill 10 Tojils to be able to talk about it, I am saying that your experience with a NM or any fight in general will heavily weigh in on your ideas for how to confront it, since you lack the experience others have with the NM, you can easily end up looking foolish, as you have done a few times in this thread I believe.

If its a boss I could fight solo then I could understand your argument. But as a Mage class supporting my team, the fight falls in the hands of the entire group. Not me alone.

Just because I have not been in a good group who knows what they are doing or how to kill Tojil doesn't mean I need additional experience to do it.

In the end i'm still playing the same role. Support as a Mage. If I was a DD then you could tell me that I need more experience.

You do know that the last time I played Tojil we timed out at 10% HP right? If I had all the time in the world to login and play I guarantee I would have already won long time ago.

[FrankReynolds]

Your analogy is completely irrelevant. It's one thing if I never played FFXI and only played Tojil once. It's another if I've been playing 11 years, have knowledge of game programming, know how computers and software works and have experience enough to know that playing a boss fight comes to the same conclusion.

You don't have to be a wiz kid or a genius to know that a boss fight is a boss fight.

OMG does it really take higher education to know and understand that a boss uses skills, abilities, has time limits, Spawn conditions?

You act like having 11 years of experience doesn't give me the authority to know what I'm talking about.

I've played Tojil once. Big deal. Did you kill Tojil solo? Or did you depend on 17 other people to help you? Just because I did not join a freakin group that was capable doesnt mean i'm some noob that doesn't know jack.

That's like saying big deal you played 11 years, until you beat Kirin, Byakko, Qilin, Aello, you don't know jack.

And if I'm not working 80 hours a week you wouldn't even be trying to use Tojil against me as an excuse for "You don't know what your talking about, your opinion means nothing, so until you beat Tojil, then open your mouth and talk"

Which is BS. Only elitist think this way. Playing Delve more than 200 times is enough know how Delve works. Playing Tojil 1 time is enough to know how it works.

Reading Tojil strategies is common sense before you play the boss. Do I need a PHD to learn this? Then again having 17 other people skilled, listen well to instruction and knows how to work as a team with proper gear makes a difference.

Don't single me out and think I don't know anything.

You play hip hop. I play house music. Conditions are different. I mix, You cut. In the end we are both still playing music. The difference is how you play the music. 20 years of experience is enough to have an opinion.

It's not me being elitist. It's you opining on a subject which does not effect nor concern you. You don't get to say yay or nay on the subject because you don't do the content. I have years of experience at FFXI too. We all do.

I have never raised a chocbo. Common sense dictates that no matter how qualified that I think I am to raise a chocbo (trust me, I could do it), I should leave the chcobo racing discussions up to the people who do it on a regular basis. You will never catch me in the chocobo racing threads going "HAI GAIZ! Red chocobos should be the fastest! Trust me, I hatched an egg once back in band camp".

You have no dog in the race.

[Daemon]

It's not me being elitist. It's you opining on a subject which does not effect nor concern you. You don't get to say yay or nay on the subject because you don't do the content. I have years of experience at FFXI too. We all do.

I have never raised a chocbo. Common sense dictates that no matter how qualified that I think I am to raise a chocbo (trust me, I could do it), I should leave the chcobo racing discussions up to the people who do it on a regular basis. You will never catch me in the chocobo racing threads going "HAI GAIZ! Red chocobos should be the fastest! Trust me, I hatched an egg once back in band camp".

You have no dog in the race.

I don't "do" the content now. But I "did" the content already. I chose not to play anymore because I know DEV Team needs to continue adjusting the events and add more content on top of SoA.

Therefore why waste my time playing when its "subject to change"

Besides after playing 11 years I already know what every event has to offer.

Same concept, different condition.

Unless you want to continue looking at the box and argue with someone looking at the bigger picture.

Every new expansion is like implementing beta. They add the base, build on top of it and adjust it. I don't see SoA as a finished product. That's why Id rather wait.

Look at VW. Same thing happened. Same thing happens to all events new. Buggy, unstable, unfinished until enough feedback, analyzation and adjustments are made according to how the fanbase reacts.

I choose to skip all of that and wait. Speeding through the content only means reaching the inevitable question again only to be bored, sit in town all day and do repeat me a million times events, quests til I feel like playing a violin.

In the end close your eyes. You are basically staring at graphics moving. Your character in the same position. The graphics are the only thing changing. You are just staring at the same spot the entire time as time on the real world clock is ticking.

Knowing this should tell you how important I think it is to login.

[Thorbean]

I have huge experience with an 8 track, you should send me some samples of your DJ sets so I can tell you what you are doing right/wrong.
"Same concept, different condition."

The game has been "subject to change" since it started. You do know what a version update is right?

I can't believe this thread is still going...

*I use the term "thread" quite wrongly, as this is just an argument between people who have experience with the content being debated, and 1 person without aforementioned experience.

Edit: You would rather waste your time arguing about a game you don't play, than play & enjoy the game you are wasting your time arguing about? Classic.

[Daemon]

I have huge experience with an 8 track, you should send me some samples of your DJ sets so I can tell you what you are doing right/wrong.
"Same concept, different condition."

The game has been "subject to change" since it started. You do know what a version update is right?

I can't believe this thread is still going...

*I use the term "thread" quite wrongly, as this is just an argument between people who have experience with the content being debated, and 1 person without aforementioned experience.

Edit: You would rather waste your time arguing about a game you don't play, than play & enjoy the game you are wasting your time arguing about? Classic.

Uhg not the same concept. If you were paying attention rather than jump into someone else's conversation then you'd already know that I don't have time to play anymore.

Sending you an 8 track for your opinion still would matter in the sense that you have knowledge and experience to know what you are talking about.

BIG DIFFERENCE than assuming someone who has never studied or practiced the skill and do it for a living giving you an opinion.

I've played Tojil before. Maybe didnt win but that's not my fault. I've played delve enough times to know how it works.

BIG DIFFERENCE than assuming as if I never played The event to know what you are talking about.

Why would I waste time playing a game if I'm too busy at work spending my free time on the forums in an environment where I can't play? Common sense.

[Daemon]

Funny I already said I assumed we were following the OP discussion about WR. But now the conversation seems to be minupulated into Delve/Tojil as an excuse to prove me irrelevant in my discussion which I'm not amused.

But then again Elitist are never wrong and everyone according to them under classified to their standards will always assume they are right regardless.

I wonder why we are arguing about Tojil when none of my replies were based on that? Yet you people are hounding me as if all of my comments were based on Delve when everything I replied to was based on WR.

Unless you don't know how to read and only know how to read fragments of the conversation and make assumptions based on a few replies and not the overall discussion. Or do you not know how to stay on topic?

OMG until you kill 1 mandragora you don't know what you are talking about even if you seen it 100 times, didnt engage in enough fights to know that its a mandragora oh my. Because I got 17 other people to kill it for me I'm more superior than you!!

Then people wonder why I don't play anymore.

Ill be laughing when SE implements something harder than Tojil and then people will look back and realize how stupid easy the boss became after surpassing the current content obtaining current gear. Only to realize that it might be hard now but that's only because its the current end game content.

Just like back at level 75 people thought Behemoth, Farnir, Nidhogg was impossible. I heard the same arguments you are making now.

And how funny it is that Qilin only takes 5 minutes to kill. Was it possible upon release? Gee its soooooo hard to kill 1 boss that you need to be God mode to be like us.

Whatever.

You can only go through the same routine so many times to come to the point at which I'm at now. Seen it enough times that it all looks all the same to me.

[FrankReynolds]

Funny I already said I assumed we were following the OP discussion about WR. But now the conversation seems to be minupulated into Delve/Tojil as an excuse to prove me irrelevant in my discussion which I'm not amused.

But then again Elitist are never wrong and everyone according to them under classified to their standards will always assume they are right regardless.

I wonder why we are arguing about Tojil when none of my replies were based on that? Yet you people are hounding me as if all of my comments were based on Delve when everything I replied to was based on WR.

Unless you don't know how to read and only know how to read fragments of the conversation and make assumptions based on a few replies and not the overall discussion. Or do you not know how to stay on topic?

OMG until you kill 1 mandragora you don't know what you are talking about even if you seen it 100 times, didnt engage in enough fights to know that its a mandragora oh my. Because I got 17 other people to kill it for me I'm more superior than you!!

Then people wonder why I don't play anymore.

Ill be laughing when SE implements something harder than Tojil and then people will look back and realize how stupid easy the boss became after surpassing the current content obtaining current gear. Only to realize that it might be hard now but that's only because its the current end game content.

Just like back at level 75 people thought Behemoth, Farnir, Nidhogg was impossible. I heard the same arguments you are making now.

And how funny it is that Qilin only takes 5 minutes to kill. Was it possible upon release? Gee its soooooo hard to kill 1 boss that you need to be God mode to be like us.

Whatever.

You can only go through the same routine so many times to come to the point at which I'm at now. Seen it enough times that it all looks all the same to me.

You don't have a significant amount of experience with WKR either. Dude has been trying to get you to do it with him for weeks now. What is elite about that?

The even is soooooo good, that you won't do it, but we are the ones who just need to wait...

[Daemon]

You don't have a significant amount of experience with WKR either. Dude has been trying to get you to do it with him for weeks now. What is elite about that?

The even is soooooo good, that you won't do it, but we are the ones who just need to wait...

So what is better? Play before all adjustments? Am I the only person who realizes that updates come to an end after content for the expansion reaches its intended vision?

Look at all other expansions. Was it better to play salvage, Dyna, and all other events the moment it was released? If I remember correctly everyone complained about every content.

A few months ago you guys complained WR gave you pebbles and how horrid it is to spend 10 hours of your day. Then I actually went and played Hurkaan according to the example and didnt even make it to the fight long enough to see this so called OMG Hurkaan takes 10 hours when it died in less than 2. And I only got to watch it die from 35% in less than 15 minutes.

Then I hear Yumcax takes 27 hours. I get invite at 28% and see the shout from others 5 minutes later that HP dropped to 24%.

And I'm still in Jeuno... By the time I walk to Yumcax will I even make it??

So what the hell is it?

Devs announce they will make another adjustment since the aftermath of FFXIV release. How long since I knew release was going to be on August 27th?? Is this the first game to lose a good portion of players upon a new game release?

You guys must assume I'm 10 years old with no common sense. I'm sure I have plenty of time to go back and play SoA content later but right now?

My irl priorities come first.

Same shi* different day.

[Thorbean]

Then people wonder why I don't play anymore.

You can only go through the same routine so many times to come to the point at which I'm at now. Seen it enough times that it all looks all the same to me.

Better watch out guys, this guy is so awesome at the game, he can beat it without actually beating it.
*Insert masturbation joke here*

Joking aside, I don't wonder why you don't play anymore. The only thing I'm wondering is, how long we will have to wait until you take it a step further and stop posting nonsense, off topic gibberish and theory craft.

As a note, please stop bringing up your life outside of FFXI. Nobody is interested in any of that and this isn't your personal blog. The people who come here, are here to discuss (DISCUSS!) FFXI. They are not here to be preached to or to have perfectly reasonable requests shot down repeatedly by some random person with no authority or say in anything.
If you object to a suggestion, that's fine. Post your grievance then move on, instead of forcing your view down peoples throats... For 60 pages...

Having an opinion is one thing. Pushing that opinion on everyone repeatedly and refusing to take a step back and accept that maybe *Shock Horror!* you are actually wrong causes nothing but headaches for everyone.

There's a huge difference between having a strong belief and being pig-headed. You sir, are infuriatingly pig-headed.

Note: before you get butt-hurt because i said you have the head of a pig: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pig-headed

Now quick, you better post a reply otherwise you'll lose the argument on the internet!
That's what this boils down to right?
Ps. I won't be reading it.

Edit: regarding "5 mins later it was down to 25%, will I even make it to XXXX boss in time?".
You are showing just how out of touch you are with these events. A lot of the time, when people shout "50%", what they actually mean is "80%" but it's going so slowly they want more people to enter quickly.
"25%" is often actually 40-50% but the fight has dragged on for so long people are desperate for more assistance. Players don't want to join at 90%, they want to join at ~20%.

[Umichi]

I personally play this just like any other FF these days. I don't worry about parties and I only play with friends and linkshell members.. I know people in the game world... and people know me...we might do more endgame together because of that... But remember this is a FF first and foremost and at it's heart is an engaging enviroment for everyone... because it's a FF game.. deamon speaks upon experience.. he's been playing for eleven years... he doesn't need to do an event to not understand it.... why? because all it is is fighting! lol I've only been playing on and off for 4-5 years now... and It's still a challenge to do things my way in this game because everyone is obssesed with endgame statistics... they only look at gear and focus on DPS.... It's why I wish I knew more Japanese lol I have plenty experience interactng with JP over my time adventuring in vanadiel and you can def tell the difference in styles on how JP and NA play and the structure.


as far as WR's go Since I only play 1-2 jobs I've pretty much gotten all I've ever needed from WKR and I did it on each and every run. since SE plans on maybe implementing a repeatable reward system for it If I ever decide to level something else (perhaps on an alt) I'll be able to work on it easier and more efficiently perhaps doing yet again only a single run-through to get all the gear I needed from it.

without the need to repeat...


Delve on the other hand... bleh so hard to get into a NA delve because they want you geared to the teeth.... I've gotten to tojil before with a JP group with 15 mins left and it was my first attempt with them.

other delve bosses are another story... hopefully if i ever need gear from them I'll have enough skill or power to defeat them lol... again a repeatable system for rewards would benifit us greatly! But for now I have what I want except tojils head for ukupirex lol.... Still building gungnir!!!!