Have people let go of the "Gjallahorn/Daurdabla only" BRD demand for Delve yet?

[Hayward]

Now that AF is out for the new jobs, it looks as though RUN and GEO can fit into a delve fight without much trouble. One question I'd like to know is whether people have gotten past this whole "Lv. 99 Daurdabla/Gjallahorn BRD only" obsession. Given the stats of Aoidos' +2 gear, it seems a bit crazy to wait for so long for such a rare appearance when there are people who have the job, know how to play it, and have the necessary gear save for the Relic and Empyrean instruments.

So have things loosened up for non-elite Bards?

[Anjou]

On Ragnarok I'll tell you this: Hell to the no (Not meaning that in a mean way to you)

same with DD's. RMED all the time or else people don't get to go in.

[Rustic]

Basically, you're in the same boat as a PLD. No Ochain/Aegis? No thanks.

Meanwhile, Corsairs will walk right in by comparison. But for the oomph that people want out of their support, BRD is terribly gear-needy, and that's the gear they need.

[Damane]

Now that AF is out for the new jobs, it looks as though RUN and GEO can fit into a delve fight without much trouble. One question I'd like to know is whether people have gotten past this whole "Lvv. 99 Daurdabla/Gjallahorn BRD only" obsession. Given the stats of Aoidos' +2 gear, it seems a bit crazy to wait for so long for such a rare appearance when there are people who have the job, know how to play it, and have the necessary gear save for the Relic and Empyrean instruments.

So have things loosned up for non-elite Bards?

with the lates buff to weapons there is no need for darud/gjallarhorn bards or any kind of rotation if you have decked out melees. People seem to be dumb seriously ¬.¬

[detlef]

The last Tojil run I was in had a 2 song BRD. It's not nearly as necessary now, more of a luxury than anything.

[Fynlar]

Basically, you're in the same boat as a PLD. No Twilight set? No thanks.

Fixed that for you

[Daemon]

So have things loosned up for non-elite Bards?

Bards that show up well prepared by obtaining the gear needed for events are elite? What do you call those who want to skip getting what's required and expect to play without? O.o

[Hayward]

Bards that show up well prepared by obtaining the gear needed for events are elite? What do you call those who want to skip getting what's required and expect to play without? O.o

Twisting words won't get you very far here. Non-elite Bards who are good at their jobs should absolutely not be shut out of events simply because they don't have the time, patience, or desire for building 2 instruments, especially since it's not nearly as easy to build one of them in Abyssea as it was when it was the only game in town. But that's the mindset of elitists, again: Expect people to have top-of-the-line items and simultaneously expect them to do it without help.

[Daemon]

Twisting words won't get you very far here. Non-elite Bards who are good at their jobs should absolutely not be shut out of events simply because they don't have the time, patience, or desire for building 2 instruments, especially since it's not nearly as easy to build one of them in Abyssea as it was when it was the only game in town. But that's the mindset of elitists, again: Expect people to have top-of-the-line items and simultaneously expect them to do it without help.

Actually no I'm not twisting words and I'm not disagreeing with you about skilled bards. For something like Delve plasm farming I understand gear is not really important to have top of the line.

Maybe things like Tojil would be expected only because group leaders will take the blame for not inviting the proper jobs that bring failure which would waste everyone's time.

I just think making excuses not to be ready can only carry a person so far and by the time anyone reaches to the point of doing THE END GAME events should feel embarassed for showing up expecting to get by on mediocre gear. Because whose to say that person didn't FC to 99 and put in the proper time and care to be ready like the rest of the people doing the event.

Which I fail to see how its being elitist that 17 other people can be ready and the person showing up without the basics wonders why they can't participate

That's like saying "You are a judgmental elitist prick because I didn't put in endless hours doing quests and missions like you to be at your level and rather than invite me to play I'm pissed off that you expect me to go back and waste my time and do these boring quests before you invite me."

At least that's how I see it when people refer to us as elitist.

Then again its also who you know that can get you invites.

Nothing against you but I just think people are too quick to point others out and call someone an elitist without knowing the reasons behind why they expect you to be prepared.

[OmnysValefor]

I just think making excuses not to be ready can only carry a person so far and by the time anyone reaches to the point of doing THE END GAME events should feel embarassed for showing up expecting to get by on mediocre gear. Because whose to say that person didn't FC to 99 and put in the proper time and care to be ready like the rest of the people doing the event.

I don't know about embarrassed, but I agree with everything you said and in regard to high-end content: Although megabosses are in a weird spot. They are the highest end content, even though the ilvl changes made them hugely easier.

It is, after all, a game, and a person shouldn't be shamed for merely trying to have fun (Feeling embarrassed = self-imposed shame). Some players, when they encounter this wall feel challenged and try to make themselves better. Others rail at the elitism. In my opinion, if I want to play with the best players, I need to put my job together the best that I can.