TOS clarification

[ValronXI]

this..........

adding to this...

why not let everyone get banned? with current exp rates it will take maybe... 3 months non stop play to get a level 90 job? and gear and gil is soooooooooooooo easy to come by compared to what it was years ago.

if SE bans anyone they will be back on the same server in the same linkshell doing the same thing they were before they were banned.

just smarter to the matter.

abyssea killed this game.

and made exp a joke.

[Phoenyx]

adding to this...

How is that, in any way, adding to the subject of this thread? Go shit up one of the already troll-laden Abyssea threads.

On topic: I'd say most of your questions are completely valid, Byrth, save the question at the end of point 5. That clause exists in almost any legal document, TOS or EULA. It's very similar to signs in retail shops that say stuff like "We reserve the right to refuse anyone service." Only difference being that in this case, why would they bother banning anyone if they didn't at least have some basis to do so? Even if it was speculative, if they're going to bother to ban an account they think a rule was broken somewhere. Just my nickel. (Who carries pennies anymore? )

[Byrth]

On topic: I'd say most of your questions are completely valid, Byrth, save the question at the end of point 5.

Thanks, and I know. That's why I said at the beginning of point 5 that it would be more of a statement than anything else. I just turned it into a question to keep the same format as the other points. =p

Also ValronXI, a part of the TOS I didn't quote (and another seemingly unenforced part) is the part that says SE bans resubscribers to any of their services. So if you're banned from FFXI and resubscribe, it says they'll ban you again. Heck, the way they have it worded they could ban you from FFXIV for having been banned from FFXI in the past. Then again, as long as they keep the catch-all they could ban you even if you hadn't been banned before.

[Starcade]

Also ValronXI, a part of the TOS I didn't quote (and another seemingly unenforced part) is the part that says SE bans resubscribers to any of their services. So if you're banned from FFXI and resubscribe, it says they'll ban you again. Heck, the way they have it worded they could ban you from FFXIV for having been banned from FFXI in the past. Then again, as long as they keep the catch-all they could ban you even if you hadn't been banned before.

There is one prominent member of the broadcast FFXI community (or at least has been for a while) who was banned for Salvage duping and allowed to return.

There was another player who was on my LS when I was on Siren and helped out on a lot of stuff. I eventually found out, though (and that my LS completely withheld the information from me), which basically forced me to report my own account to the STF for any possible malfeasance, and to find another server to play on.

[Byrth]

There is one prominent member of the broadcast FFXI community (or at least has been for a while) who was banned for Salvage duping and allowed to return.

There was another player who was on my LS when I was on Siren and helped out on a lot of stuff. I eventually found out, though (and that my LS completely withheld the information from me), which basically forced me to report my own account to the STF for any possible malfeasance, and to find another server to play on.

Several people from the Salvage Bans who got LM-11'd or perma-17s were eventually allowed to come back, but all the ones I know of were people who know people.

I'm kind of confused on the second part. Someone helped your LS out a lot and had been banned before, so you GMed yourself and changed servers? Maybe I'm missing something, but if they aren't banning him then they probably won't ban you for partying with him, and there's nothing in the TOS besides their catch-all that would give them the right to ban you. I don't think you understand how common what you're describing is.

Heck, I know people who still play that got banned back in 2004 for MPKing people with the BST job quest Kraken in Qufim before the MPK patch. Turns out they aren't 15 years old anymore, so they aren't doing stupid stuff like that anymore either. I take SE's failure to enforce this to be their version of a second chance. Many people have grown up from hormonal teenagers to married men and women, and it seems stupid to perma ban them away from the friends they have grown up with because they acted like dumb teenagers when they were dumb teenagers.

Think about it, if they banned by credit card still even Rambus would be gone just because they banned his mule for a stupid reason. Heck, I had a friend who server-hopped his mule with 100mil to buy currency on another server (where it was cheaper) for his Claustrum and they banned his mule.

[Kyte]

There is one prominent member of the broadcast FFXI community (or at least has been for a while) who was banned for Salvage duping and allowed to return.

There was another player who was on my LS when I was on Siren and helped out on a lot of stuff. I eventually found out, though (and that my LS completely withheld the information from me), which basically forced me to report my own account to the STF for any possible malfeasance, and to find another server to play on.

I notice you used to have your character (and maybe still do if you changed your character name) on FFXIAH. Technically that site gathers data in a similar manner as a parser. Do you think you should get banned for using that site?

[Starcade]

I notice you used to have your character (and maybe still do if you changed your character name). Technically that site gathers data in a similar manner as a parser. Do you think you should get banned for using that site?

Uhhh, you're missing part of your statement here. You may wish to edit and try again. If you believe I am using a parser, that definitely is for the Special Task Force to examine, as I said before.

FFXIAH, may I assume? Depends on whether Square-Enix allows it...

[Greatguardian]

FFXIAH, may I assume? Depends on whether Square-Enix allows it...

Square Enix allows a lot of things. It's still not legit. Even if you stop using FFXIAH, you've already used it. Once a cheater, always a cheater.

[Kyte]

Uhhh, you're missing part of your statement here. You may wish to edit and try again. If you believe I am using a parser, that definitely is for the Special Task Force to examine, as I said before.

FFXIAH, may I assume? Depends on whether Square-Enix allows it...

Yes I did, I must have been really tired when I wrote that lol

Anywho, the point is that the line between "cheating" and "being legit" or whatever is a little broader than you are giving credit.