How long is too long

[SNK]

Hour number 6 here for Yumcax, 160 people, Delve weapons galore, healing, support, Aegis's Ochains, geos, corsairs, still at around 30% health.

If this is an indication of what is to come for delve in these new zones, I'm out.

I'm amused by this. We downed that tree on Carby in a lil over 2 hours. Just needs more CORs and SMNs to burn it.

[Vivivivi]

I'm amused by this. We downed that tree on Carby in a lil over 2 hours. Just needs more CORs and SMNs to burn it.

No it doesn't, It takes not getting MPK'd constantly.

[Demon6324236]

No it doesn't, It takes not getting MPK'd constantly.

So very true, any fight where everyone is getting killed every 2 minutes is going to go nowhere, once people stop doing that, the WKs are not all that hard, take a little time, but they are not that hard.

[Rustic]

You have such a condescending attitude in all of your posts. Once people are at the fight, they are pretty much committed to the fight. Most people can't afford to warp and try a different strategy because 75k bayld is a significant investment. Once you're in the battlefield, that's it, you're not leaving. If the battle looks like it's not going well, realistically you have three options: keep slogging along, afk, or log out. In most cases, warping is not an option. On my server, the general attitude is to tough it out and hope the JPs with their army of CORs log on and kill it. That's just reality.

Then the reality is not to enter the field until and if those who can actually handle the fight are there to do so.

And if that means a horde of JP players, then that's just a statement on the sad state of affairs in the NA playerbase.

If you have only a narrow chance of success with the conditions at hand and start anyway, then yes, I do look down on that. It's stupid, foolish, and wasteful of your previous efforts. The mob takes more effort than than what you can generate- stop getting on the court if you can't play ball, hoping that mysterious strangers from the East will kill it for you. Communicate. Plan it out and get in the game with the rest of the "team" that can fight and win- as noted, it's a public fight. If you're going to sit there until they show up anyway flailing and hoping that LOLRANDOM players aren't going to wipe you off the face of Vana'diel, then why not save the effort and open channels of communication with the people who can do the job? Offer to help, find out when they're doing things. Stop trying to "depend" on people who clearly can't fight the fight.

Or sit there for hours frustrated and waste a pile of bayld if you're not lucky. Which is the better plan?

[FrankReynolds]

Then the reality is not to enter the field until and if those who can actually handle the fight are there to do so.

And if that means a horde of JP players, then that's just a statement on the sad state of affairs in the NA playerbase.

If you have only a narrow chance of success with the conditions at hand and start anyway, then yes, I do look down on that. It's stupid, foolish, and wasteful of your previous efforts. The mob takes more effort than than what you can generate- stop getting on the court if you can't play ball, hoping that mysterious strangers from the East will kill it for you. Communicate. Plan it out and get in the game with the rest of the "team" that can fight and win- as noted, it's a public fight. If you're going to sit there until they show up anyway flailing and hoping that LOLRANDOM players aren't going to wipe you off the face of Vana'diel, then why not save the effort and open channels of communication with the people who can do the job? Offer to help, find out when they're doing things. Stop trying to "depend" on people who clearly can't fight the fight.

Or sit there for hours frustrated and waste a pile of bayld if you're not lucky. Which is the better plan?

Knock Knock...

Who's there?

A 99 White Mage

What do you want?

Are there a bunch of Japanese people in there?

Yeah, why?

Are they winning?

Sorta...

What's happening?

IDK...

Well Should I Enter? I don't want to waste my Bayld.

Uhhh... That's up to you man...

Well if I join will I win really fast?

I don't know. It seems... okay right now...


Yeah, but like if I join will I win pretty fast? I have to go to bed in a few hours...

HOW THE F*(&( SHOULD I KNOW?!?

Does anyone else know?

Pish off...


Seriously though, How are people supposed to know if someone is gonna come MPK them? or just generally screw everything up?

[Vivivivi]

Then the reality is not to enter the field until and if those who can actually handle the fight are there to do so.

(In The Rock's Voice) IT DOESNT MATTER IF PEOPLE ARE THERE WHO CAN ACTUALLY HANDLE THE FIGHT.
One person aggroing 3 panopts or more will screw things up for everyone.

This is not a flaw in the players capability to win the fight in a reasonable amount of time, it's a problem with the gameplay mechanic and a public event in which all mobs are targettable by everyone and AOE damage is dealt to everyone.

[Daemon]

How long is too long? When you start getting Alzheimer's..

[FrankReynolds]

I saw something about the panopts and various other things in the dev notes, so hopefully they are fixing this.

[Demon6324236]

Need to make it so the mobs depop when they lose all hate and repop in 10 seconds, would be impossible to sac them, would be impossible to MPK people with them. Maybe not impossible, but much harder than now, where you pull all the mobs & watch them rape everyone...

[Traxus]

(In The Rock's Voice) IT DOESNT MATTER IF PEOPLE ARE THERE WHO CAN ACTUALLY HANDLE THE FIGHT.
One person aggroing 3 panopts or more will screw things up for everyone.

This is not a flaw in the players capability to win the fight in a reasonable amount of time, it's a problem with the gameplay mechanic and a public event in which all mobs are targettable by everyone and AOE damage is dealt to everyone.

While I agree it's pretty screwed up how easy it is for a single player to MPK people in WKR, you could always extend the definition of:

Then the reality is not to enter the field until and if those who can actually handle the fight are there to do so.

to include a tank/dd/whatever party to handle adds that end up on/near the cors/plds/etc fighting the NM.