How long is too long

[Umichi]

If the "Correct" tactic involves convincing a thousand other people to do reives and Fighting a giant baddie while simultaneously instructing 200 people in 5-10 different languages on how to defeat a monster, and praying to god that not only do they understand your instructions, but that none of them are a-holes who love to MPK people, then yes. It is the developers fault.

They can say anything they want, but it's still their fault because they built in the mechanics that made it extremely easy for things to go wrong.

guess no one got the news that audolin was an endgamers paradise... intentionally created for lvl 99's to have a challenge, If people can't take a hint that they are not doing things right within 24 hours of a boss not being dead "Still" then their brains must be made of fluff cause as soon as 4ish hours (thats generally my max) hits and no progress is made I stop playing endgame. It's that simple...people keep complaining about "oh my precious bayld" or "Oh my precious human created ethereal time" but they forget you can always come back and play another day... after all it's a game.

Sooner or later people will get the hint that SE is done holding peoples hands... I like the way this content is built there is progression and there are clear stop-gaps to that progression. how fast you plow through that depends on your skill and competance of other players...

and language has always been a barrier, we all know JP don't like us playing their games and they obviously are more structured than us....

And Abyssea imho was nothing but a glorified hamster wheel with the speed set on turbo and only hamsters who were painted gold got to ride it efficiently. And from that hamster wheel we obtained a playerbase who has zero clue on what it's like to actualy do challenging ffxi content. People were complaining about sky and sea just the same back in the day especially sea since there was clear stop gap progression via missions, requiring specific set-ups or gtfo anyone else was riding on curtails.

[Rustic]

And Abyssea imho was nothing but a glorified hamster wheel with the speed set on turbo and only hamsters who were painted gold got to ride it efficiently. And from that hamster wheel we obtained a playerbase who has zero clue on what it's like to actualy do challenging ffxi content. People were complaining about sky and sea just the same back in the day especially sea since there was clear stop gap progression via missions, requiring specific set-ups or gtfo anyone else was riding on curtails.

*dingdingdingdingding*

And that's something a lot of people don't realize: That it's not just you that has to get in shape for this. It's a whole bunch of people, if not an attitude that develops across a broad swatch of a server...and Abyssea served to destroy that.

It was, from the viewpoint of making a playerbase good to go for this sorta thing, the worst possible kind of addition to the game. We'd be more ready for Abyssea with the server population that was around WoTG, plus the JP population has remained more stable than the non-JP one...meaning there's more groups capable of handling the new-old style of the game.

[FrankReynolds]

guess no one got the news that audolin was an endgamers paradise... intentionally created for lvl 99's to have a challenge, If people can't take a hint that they are not doing things right within 24 hours of a boss not being dead "Still" then their brains must be made of fluff cause as soon as 4ish hours (thats generally my max) hits and no progress is made I stop playing endgame. It's that simple...people keep complaining about "oh my precious bayld" or "Oh my precious human created ethereal time" but they forget you can always come back and play another day... after all it's a game.

So you don't care if your time is wasted because you are going to live forever and are in no rush to have fun? I'm not sure if congratulations or condolences are in order. I'll just offer both.

Sooner or later people will get the hint that SE is done holding peoples hands... I like the way this content is built there is progression and there are clear stop-gaps to that progression. how fast you plow through that depends on your skill and competance of other players...

So you actually like the idea that you might not be able to get something done because I am lazy? You don't mind never getting a clear because I didn't do any reives in that zone? Yeah, sure...

and language has always been a barrier, we all know JP don't like us playing their games and they obviously are more structured than us....

So basically learn JP or gtfo of the game then? Brilliant.

And Abyssea imho was nothing but a glorified hamster wheel with the speed set on turbo and only hamsters who were painted gold got to ride it efficiently. And from that hamster wheel we obtained a playerbase who has zero clue on what it's like to actualy do challenging ffxi content. People were complaining about sky and sea just the same back in the day especially sea since there was clear stop gap progression via missions, requiring specific set-ups or gtfo anyone else was riding on curtails.

So basically just get rid of everyone who isn't awesome and doesn't speak Japanese yeah? Sounds like a recipe for success.

[Umichi]

So you don't care if your time is wasted because you are going to live forever and are in no rush to have fun? I'm not sure if congratulations or condolences are in order. I'll just offer both.



So you actually like the idea that you might not be able to get something done because I am lazy? You don't mind never getting a clear because I didn't do any reives in that zone? Yeah, sure...



So basically learn JP or gtfo of the game then? Brilliant.



So basically just get rid of everyone who isn't awesome and doesn't speak Japanese yeah? Sounds like a recipe for success.

1) I do have fun... It's called enjoying the content I can do and pushing myself on occasion to do higher up content to continue progressing and achieving a reasonable set-up for being a good drg/whm like I always enjoy playing running around killing monsters and doing quests for my friends. Rushing things does not = fun. If i complete everything in a day, week, or month; what would I have to look forward to? Not only that but I can't complete all the content I wish to do in one day anyways.

2) yes because once you stop playing SE will tone down the difficulty to match the playerbase represented across all servers. I will eventually unlock higher gear and find players who wish to play with them doing the same content. currently I can't touch delve cause nm's are tough and I def do not have the gear yet, however I am progressing through outside NM's which is nice.... but plasm farming is stupid... i mean going into a fracture to kill monsters 50 plasm each? sure it's plasm but id much rather be spamming NMs outside for 500 each instead of abusing a mechanic clearly meant to help give players TP without taping the bosses. Is it illegal? IDK SE sure is fighting it... but they aren't saying it's not ok so *shrugs* to each their own

3) http://shigemo.com/FFXI/nihongo_guide.html ohaithere

4)No it means people need to get their shit together because this is what real FFXI content is supposed to be like. if we hada bigger playerbase we would not be having such problems with nakaals and lack of shouts for nm runs etc etc.. but instead you got the EGLS people and the non EGLS people. non EGLS people need to start using commen sense and l2 play an MMO as anyone with at least a years worth of experience should know how a party or raid works and the mechanics behind the healers/support DD and tanks... especially knowing their jobs and capabilities. you also need to stop having elitest arsehats requiring nothing but all the most tedious of programs (some of them go against the ToS and goes against the spirit of the game) multiple item sets and require you to have specific jobs and yet again like the sea and sky ages and beyond force you to come as them and make your life miserable just so you can aquire a piece of gear for the job you barely play in Endgame anyways....