Skirmish Bayld Farmers

[Zumi]

Once you buy the entry items you can do whatever you want with them. If you want to only get the bayld and leave for fast runs thats up to you.

[Demon6324236]

Can I complain about the price of HMPs and Umbral Marrows then? If everyone would stop buying them and drive up the price, I could get them for a nickel and a dime! This should totally be addressed!

There is a difference between what you are saying, and what is being done. There is no accurate comparison between these two subjects. People are buying the things to do Skirmish, without doing Skirmish, instead, they simply go inside of Skirmish, run around to find the Bayld giving rift, and then exit. This avoids doing the real event for its purpose and instead is abusing the fact it gives a large amount of Bayld. It would be like if popping a VWNM is all you had to do in order to get the XP & Cruor rewards, but drops were only gotten when killing the NM. People could go out and pop Ig-Alima, get tons of cruor, but then run away, soon as he depops, go back, pop again, tada, super Cruor gain. The difference with that even is that Voidstones are replenished constantly even if someone drains the AH of them, Skirmish pieces are not, and Skirmish pieces are harder to get while also being more rare.

[Kristal]

There is a difference between what you are saying, and what is being done. There is no accurate comparison between these two subjects. People are buying the things to do Skirmish, without doing Skirmish, instead, they simply go inside of Skirmish, run around to find the Bayld giving rift, and then exit. This avoids doing the real event for its purpose and instead is abusing the fact it gives a large amount of Bayld.

Oh, you mean like doing delve for the plasm it gives from trash mobs, rather then defeat bosses for loot?
This is THEIR pop, they payed for it. They go for the bayld then exit. You go for the bayld AND loot, then exit.
It's not like there is a shortage of pops, and it's only going to last until people get tired of doing WKRs. In the mean time, you pay a few gil more per pop, big deal.

[Fynlar]

Oh, you mean like doing delve for the plasm it gives from trash mobs, rather then defeat bosses for loot?
This is THEIR pop, they payed for it. They go for the bayld then exit. You go for the bayld AND loot, then exit.

While the logic is comparable, the scenarios aren't really.

It's a much simpler affair to farm a delve entry item than it is to farm a skirmish pop. Just about any mob in the chosen zone can drop yggrete rocks, and a delve alliance should be capable of farming these quickly. A skirmish group can't easily accomplish the same thing. Reives are the easiest way to generate skirmish items now, but even if you go and do reives you will not always get the right pieces that you need in short order, meaning whether or not you go that day is almost always determined by the AH supply.

Most people doing delve are not capable of beating the MBs, they're farming plasm so that they can eventually get gear good enough to fight the bosses with. Skirmish is a joke nowadays and the people who are just skipping it just to hit the bayld bonus and leave are likely more than capable of "completing" the event if they wanted to, they just don't care because they're not getting delve-MB-tier rewards out of doing so.

[Fulgore]

boohoo /cry me a river!

So because you wanna make sum small change on skirmish , I should play the game YOU want me play it? While I pay 30 Euro a month and pay for my skirmish sets? k

[Trumpy]

It is unfortunate yes, but I wouldnt call it abuse as they are paying a ton of gil for the pop items. its kind of like power leveling thru a craft where you pay crazy gil to skill ur craft just to get it done quickly.

If they were however somehow gettin pops cheaply or free i can see that as abuse, or if them doin these runs somehow withheld the area from other legit people (AKA they were hoggin the zone).

[FrankReynolds]

So you say "Go farm bayld the way that SE intended! By doing reives"

The other guy says "Go farm pop sets the way SE intended! By doing reives"

Sounds like no one is wrong / right to me here.

[Alistaire]

What?!? The demand for an item depletes the supply and forces inflation?!? Crazy talk.

[Glamdring]

seriously, this is about as valid of a complaint as that guy who said we were cheating by skilling up in Beseiged. SE put it there, they may not have realized people would be willing to burn 250k gil to get 7ishK bayld, but they made the mechanism. Solution, start farming skirmish pops and selling them for 250k, use that to fund your delve runs, you still stay ahead.

[Vold]

SE put it there, they may not have realized people would be willing to burn 250k gil to get 7ishK bayld, but they made the mechanism.

I remember when people tried to play this card when they got banned for salvage exploits. Threads such as this popped up left and right by butthurt cheaters, filled with inaccuracies of the facts and spewing just about everything they could to get the bans overturned. They were most fond of the excuse "it's not my fault SE designed the content the way they did" Now you can sit there and say the same, so I guess the question is, do you feel lucky? Do ya? Exploits are exploits and proclaiming you were ignorant or it's not your fault SE made you do it is not going to save you if they ever decide to mass ban players again over an exploit. Does this challenge the exploits for dup salvage drops? Hell nah, but it doesn't have to if SE feels inclined to decide so.

Point is, "it's SE's fault for their programming error" is not going to be a get out of jail free card. Adult human beings are damn well able to decide for themselves if something is wrong to do, and Skirmish is very clearly not designed as a 30 second 5k bayld farming event. It is however proof of just how much it sucks to farm bayld on reives. Too little people and it sucks. Too many people and it sucks. In certain zones you'll never win due to cape drops. If the drops were spread out or new drops showed up, people would spread out, and they would earn bayld naturally while farming items thereby skipping any desire to use questionable tactics.



Just throwing all of that out there. You make your own beds. Don't make the same mistake salvage people did and assume SE would never bother banning you because it hurts them in the pockets. They'll just assume you take the game so seriously to cheat that you'll probably just create a new account and keep giving them money :x and plenty of banned salvage players did just that, if they didn't get their hands on an existing account from someone else or out right bought it off someone.


Again, this is no where in the same league as salvage dups even though it's treading along the thin line, and it doesn't have to be the same in the eyes of SE. So go ahead and get your faster bayld so you can finish farming gear so you can AFK sooner in Jeuno or Adoulin, but don't come back here claiming injustice if they ever ban you over it because they felt like doing it, to whomever that may concern.