Costume system

[Umichi]

Well tbh they aren't the ones paying to play, we should have the right to -look- as we please, but still have the stats of the pieces intended for our jobs.

TBH it's their game they can do whatever they want with it... says so in the terms of agreements you signed you have no rights except to stop paying.

[Puck]

TBH it's their game they can do whatever they want with it... says so in the terms of agreements you signed you have no rights except to stop paying.

Shit, is there ANYTHING you won't white knight over, Umichi? What a total tool. This is possibly the worst example of white knighting I've seen around here. "I don't support an idea that would make the game more fun because SE can do whatever they want, so shut up and take whatever they give us."

Yeah everyone, let's blindly support SE in every bad decision they make. And when someone who doesn't work for SE comes up with an idea that would make the game more FUN, let's shit all over it. Because our holy lords and masters at SE have not blessed said idea.

When this game finally does die, it'll be because there's too many senseless fanboys like you giving SE a free pass to make the game suck, while ignoring all the malcontents whose ideas would actually make the game BETTER and help it survive a few more years.

So keep it up, white knights. Your ardent support is strong and sturdy. It's the perfect material to build FFXI's coffin.

[Anjou]

Shit, is there ANYTHING you won't white knight over, Umichi? What a total tool. This is possibly the worst example of white knighting I've seen around here. "I don't support an idea that would make the game more fun because SE can do whatever they want, so shut up and take whatever they give us."

Yeah everyone, let's blindly support SE in every bad decision they make. And when someone who doesn't work for SE comes up with an idea that would make the game more FUN, let's shit all over it. Because our holy lords and masters at SE have not blessed said idea.

When this game finally does die, it'll be because there's too many senseless fanboys like you giving SE a free pass to make the game suck, while ignoring all the malcontents whose ideas would actually make the game BETTER and help it survive a few more years.

So keep it up, white knights. Your ardent support is strong and sturdy. It's the perfect material to build FFXI's coffin.

[Hawklaser]

Shit, is there ANYTHING you won't white knight over, Umichi? What a total tool. This is possibly the worst example of white knighting I've seen around here. "I don't support an idea that would make the game more fun because SE can do whatever they want, so shut up and take whatever they give us."

Yeah everyone, let's blindly support SE in every bad decision they make. And when someone who doesn't work for SE comes up with an idea that would make the game more FUN, let's shit all over it. Because our holy lords and masters at SE have not blessed said idea.

When this game finally does die, it'll be because there's too many senseless fanboys like you giving SE a free pass to make the game suck, while ignoring all the malcontents whose ideas would actually make the game BETTER and help it survive a few more years.

So keep it up, white knights. Your ardent support is strong and sturdy. It's the perfect material to build FFXI's coffin.

There is no reason to go after another poster here. Ultimately all Umichi was pointing out was the fact if SE wanted to just tell us all to deal with no vanity slot/costume system or whatever you want to call it they could in fact just do so.

There is also this thing known as compromise, which would be a system that does keep with how SE would prefer different jobs to look and also allow us to customize our characters appearances, which could likely be limited to what one has set for a main job.

As to the game finally dying, its not going to be because of people blindly supporting the game, but due to SE not doing very much to attract new players to the game. As no new blood, only means less and less blood over time. On top of that, the game is not friendly to new players anymore. Yes, leveling is faster than the old days, but it is also no longer engaging. To me it feels like more of a chore now than it did before CoP came out. So tell me how you hook a person into continuing to play, when a large portion of their early play experience is not that engaging?

Personally, while I do support some kind of costume/vanity system, I would much rather SE not devote time to it yet as there are other things they should finish up first. Like Cait Sith and Atomos for summoners, and the RME updates that were mentioned. Especially since the RME being outclassed by weapons significantly easier to obtain is a deal breaker for many people, and it is not just RME holders that is a deal breaker for.

[Anjou]

There is no reason to go after another poster here. Ultimately all Umichi was pointing out was the fact if SE wanted to just tell us all to deal with no vanity slot/costume system or whatever you want to call it they could in fact just do so.

Personally, while I do acknowledge SE has the right reserved to do so, they're catering to a global playerbase, and the game is 11 years old with most people never getting to know of the original jobs and their looks. Most of the time I see my LS encouraging newer players to skip artifact and just do af3, is that fun/right for the people wanting to look as they please?

There is also this thing known as compromise, which would be a system that does keep with how SE would prefer different jobs to look and also allow us to customize our characters appearances, which could likely be limited to what one has set for a main job.

SE has been literally butt-f**king us for the last several years, I'm pretty sure they don't like the word compromise, because they like to run the show for their precious JP player base and leave everyone else out. I do get however a job should pertain to their looks, it'd be rather odd seeing a Red Mage in Abyss armor now wouldn't it?

As to the game finally dying, its not going to be because of people blindly supporting the game, but due to SE not doing very much to attract new players to the game. As no new blood, only means less and less blood over time. On top of that, the game is not friendly to new players anymore. Yes, leveling is faster than the old days, but it is also no longer engaging. To me it feels like more of a chore now than it did before CoP came out. So tell me how you hook a person into continuing to play, when a large portion of their early play experience is not that engaging?

If you wish to talk about the game dying but you want to prevent it, then people need to start encouraging new players to do content alongside their leveling, that way as they grow, they learn the story, which was the original game plan to begin with.

Personally, while I do support some kind of costume/vanity system, I would much rather SE not devote time to it yet as there are other things they should finish up first. Like Cait Sith and Atomos for summoners, and the RME updates that were mentioned. Especially since the RME being outclassed by weapons significantly easier to obtain is a deal breaker for many people, and it is not just RME holders that is a deal breaker for.

If they 'devote time' to Cait Sith/Atomos, we'll never see anything get done. They don't care, they just want to crank out this bullhockey to keep people pacified until XIV comes out. I definitely understand the RME thing though, that kind of work deserves the superior weapon instead of these little cracker jack toys people call delve weapons.

[Hawklaser]

Personally, while I do acknowledge SE has the right reserved to do so, they're catering to a global playerbase, and the game is 11 years old with most people never getting to know of the original jobs and their looks. Most of the time I see my LS encouraging newer players to skip artifact and just do af3, is that fun/right for the people wanting to look as they please?

It's about as right or fun as getting told to skip everything except bayld armor and delve weapons. Oh wait, people doing that tend to forget actually need fairly decent gear to do that in the first place in any engaging way. The whole skip everything from 30-98 mentality that seems to prevail now needs to go in my opinion.

SE has been literally butt-f**king us for the last several years, I'm pretty sure they don't like the word compromise, because they like to run the show for their precious JP player base and leave everyone else out. I do get however a job should pertain to their looks, it'd be rather odd seeing a Red Mage in Abyss armor now wouldn't it?

Yeah it would, but with how you replied earlier to the possibility of a limited costume system is what sparked Umichi replying how he did, and then the post I last quoted. I'm also well aware that not much often changes in our favor, but I do know they do at least listen on occasion. How I know this is due to changes that were made to the weaponskills Penta Thrust and Skewer, as they used to have TP modifiers of damage and accuracy respectively. A good while back I sent in some feedback on how horrible Lance weaponskills were because would get stuck doing Double Thrust until got Skewer just because of consistency of damage and skill chain properties, and mentioned that their TP modifiers might be better off switched due to the nature of the weaponskills, alongside suggesting lance WS in general might benefit from some changes in SC properties. Now it may not have been my feedback alone that got them to change Penta to accuracy and Skewer to Crit, but this experiance at least showed me they do listen to feedback from the players.

If you wish to talk about the game dying but you want to prevent it, then people need to start encouraging new players to do content alongside their leveling, that way as they grow, they learn the story, which was the original game plan to begin with.

Agreed, however that is hard to do when rarely see truly new players as it is. Now couple that with either needing high level help or out leveling the content to do missions, and the general lack of good low level gear being sold, makes it hard for people to do the missions when they would be challenging and engaging for them.

If they 'devote time' to Cait Sith/Atomos, we'll never see anything get done. They don't care, they just want to crank out this bullhockey to keep people pacified until XIV comes out. I definitely understand the RME thing though, that kind of work deserves the superior weapon instead of these little cracker jack toys people call delve weapons.

Reason I mentioned Cait Sith/Atomos, is because of how long they have been in the works with no results, and until I see RME updates in an official patch notes, can only assume they are being given the same priority as those avatars. Currently outside of balance tweaks and new Adoulin content, nothing else seems to be getting done already. So while I would love to see a costume/vanity system, would rather other things that have been in the works get priority before it if at all possible.