Costume system

[Hawklaser]

Over in the "possible oversight with the new ilvl system?" thread, Camate did a post that showed they might be considering this but have reservations about front line jobs looking like backline ones or Artifact armor and the like showing up on jobs it was not intended for. Along with for weapons it would have to be limited to within the same category.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would be happy if what they do implement keeps it still limited by what could normally be worn by a job. As want to look like a DRG when on DRG, and a BLU on BLU, not a BLU when on DRG.

[Duelle]

Over in the "possible oversight with the new ilvl system?" thread, Camate did a post that showed they might be considering this but have reservations about front line jobs looking like backline ones or Artifact armor and the like showing up on jobs it was not intended for. Along with for weapons it would have to be limited to within the same category.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would be happy if what they do implement keeps it still limited by what could normally be worn by a job. As want to look like a DRG when on DRG, and a BLU on BLU, not a BLU when on DRG.

Agreed. If you limit the costume slots to pretty much whatever can be equipped by the main job, you should be good. In some cases AF looks infinitely better. Not to mention it might give value to all those art assets that go unused.

[Anjou]

Well tbh they aren't the ones paying to play, we should have the right to -look- as we please, but still have the stats of the pieces intended for our jobs.

[Umichi]

Well tbh they aren't the ones paying to play, we should have the right to -look- as we please, but still have the stats of the pieces intended for our jobs.

TBH it's their game they can do whatever they want with it... says so in the terms of agreements you signed you have no rights except to stop paying.

[Puck]

TBH it's their game they can do whatever they want with it... says so in the terms of agreements you signed you have no rights except to stop paying.

Shit, is there ANYTHING you won't white knight over, Umichi? What a total tool. This is possibly the worst example of white knighting I've seen around here. "I don't support an idea that would make the game more fun because SE can do whatever they want, so shut up and take whatever they give us."

Yeah everyone, let's blindly support SE in every bad decision they make. And when someone who doesn't work for SE comes up with an idea that would make the game more FUN, let's shit all over it. Because our holy lords and masters at SE have not blessed said idea.

When this game finally does die, it'll be because there's too many senseless fanboys like you giving SE a free pass to make the game suck, while ignoring all the malcontents whose ideas would actually make the game BETTER and help it survive a few more years.

So keep it up, white knights. Your ardent support is strong and sturdy. It's the perfect material to build FFXI's coffin.

[Anjou]

Shit, is there ANYTHING you won't white knight over, Umichi? What a total tool. This is possibly the worst example of white knighting I've seen around here. "I don't support an idea that would make the game more fun because SE can do whatever they want, so shut up and take whatever they give us."

Yeah everyone, let's blindly support SE in every bad decision they make. And when someone who doesn't work for SE comes up with an idea that would make the game more FUN, let's shit all over it. Because our holy lords and masters at SE have not blessed said idea.

When this game finally does die, it'll be because there's too many senseless fanboys like you giving SE a free pass to make the game suck, while ignoring all the malcontents whose ideas would actually make the game BETTER and help it survive a few more years.

So keep it up, white knights. Your ardent support is strong and sturdy. It's the perfect material to build FFXI's coffin.

[Hawklaser]

Shit, is there ANYTHING you won't white knight over, Umichi? What a total tool. This is possibly the worst example of white knighting I've seen around here. "I don't support an idea that would make the game more fun because SE can do whatever they want, so shut up and take whatever they give us."

Yeah everyone, let's blindly support SE in every bad decision they make. And when someone who doesn't work for SE comes up with an idea that would make the game more FUN, let's shit all over it. Because our holy lords and masters at SE have not blessed said idea.

When this game finally does die, it'll be because there's too many senseless fanboys like you giving SE a free pass to make the game suck, while ignoring all the malcontents whose ideas would actually make the game BETTER and help it survive a few more years.

So keep it up, white knights. Your ardent support is strong and sturdy. It's the perfect material to build FFXI's coffin.

There is no reason to go after another poster here. Ultimately all Umichi was pointing out was the fact if SE wanted to just tell us all to deal with no vanity slot/costume system or whatever you want to call it they could in fact just do so.

There is also this thing known as compromise, which would be a system that does keep with how SE would prefer different jobs to look and also allow us to customize our characters appearances, which could likely be limited to what one has set for a main job.

As to the game finally dying, its not going to be because of people blindly supporting the game, but due to SE not doing very much to attract new players to the game. As no new blood, only means less and less blood over time. On top of that, the game is not friendly to new players anymore. Yes, leveling is faster than the old days, but it is also no longer engaging. To me it feels like more of a chore now than it did before CoP came out. So tell me how you hook a person into continuing to play, when a large portion of their early play experience is not that engaging?

Personally, while I do support some kind of costume/vanity system, I would much rather SE not devote time to it yet as there are other things they should finish up first. Like Cait Sith and Atomos for summoners, and the RME updates that were mentioned. Especially since the RME being outclassed by weapons significantly easier to obtain is a deal breaker for many people, and it is not just RME holders that is a deal breaker for.

[Anjou]

There is no reason to go after another poster here. Ultimately all Umichi was pointing out was the fact if SE wanted to just tell us all to deal with no vanity slot/costume system or whatever you want to call it they could in fact just do so.

Personally, while I do acknowledge SE has the right reserved to do so, they're catering to a global playerbase, and the game is 11 years old with most people never getting to know of the original jobs and their looks. Most of the time I see my LS encouraging newer players to skip artifact and just do af3, is that fun/right for the people wanting to look as they please?

There is also this thing known as compromise, which would be a system that does keep with how SE would prefer different jobs to look and also allow us to customize our characters appearances, which could likely be limited to what one has set for a main job.

SE has been literally butt-f**king us for the last several years, I'm pretty sure they don't like the word compromise, because they like to run the show for their precious JP player base and leave everyone else out. I do get however a job should pertain to their looks, it'd be rather odd seeing a Red Mage in Abyss armor now wouldn't it?

As to the game finally dying, its not going to be because of people blindly supporting the game, but due to SE not doing very much to attract new players to the game. As no new blood, only means less and less blood over time. On top of that, the game is not friendly to new players anymore. Yes, leveling is faster than the old days, but it is also no longer engaging. To me it feels like more of a chore now than it did before CoP came out. So tell me how you hook a person into continuing to play, when a large portion of their early play experience is not that engaging?

If you wish to talk about the game dying but you want to prevent it, then people need to start encouraging new players to do content alongside their leveling, that way as they grow, they learn the story, which was the original game plan to begin with.

Personally, while I do support some kind of costume/vanity system, I would much rather SE not devote time to it yet as there are other things they should finish up first. Like Cait Sith and Atomos for summoners, and the RME updates that were mentioned. Especially since the RME being outclassed by weapons significantly easier to obtain is a deal breaker for many people, and it is not just RME holders that is a deal breaker for.

If they 'devote time' to Cait Sith/Atomos, we'll never see anything get done. They don't care, they just want to crank out this bullhockey to keep people pacified until XIV comes out. I definitely understand the RME thing though, that kind of work deserves the superior weapon instead of these little cracker jack toys people call delve weapons.

[Umichi]

And honestly everyone does not look the same.. when I inspect gear I see a great variety of choices. especially now, in the past it might of been true when everyone was clamouring for AF3 gear and other endgame gear.. but the sad fact also is the peiople you see wearing all the same stuff are also the ones who probably number crunch i.e min/max or listen to what they are told to wear, or are so far ahead of the curve gear wise they have no other choices or all of the above.

[Anjou]

And honestly everyone does not look the same.. when I inspect gear I see a great variety of choices. especially now, in the past it might of been true when everyone was clamouring for AF3 gear and other endgame gear.. but the sad fact also is the peiople you see wearing all the same stuff are also the ones who probably number crunch i.e min/max or listen to what they are told to wear, or are so far ahead of the curve gear wise they have no other choices or all of the above.

So you're going to tell me with a straight face: that most paladins aren't sporting the ogier/laeraedr gear, most DRK's aren't sporting things like mekira, and mages aren't wearing that new robe? Also thieves wearing the new Thurandaut (check spelling), Ocelome/Toci, oh and let's not forget the whole fact that most of the gear is so....strange looking, I can't ever picture a White Mage wearing some of it, because tbh it looks far too gloomy. Thief/Dancer/Blue Mage wearing that Toci harness, looks more barbaric than what I typically picture them in.

The idea of a costume system is to let the individual express their taste, are you going to downplay it because you don't like it but the majority of the community does? I don't see likes hardly on your posts Umichi, at least my ideas (for the most part) are typically harmless to ingame mechanics, and only offer vanity to a game that the players deserve to express themselves, this is an online avatar, FFXI is about number crunching, but I remember when jobs actually looked like what their name suggested, and not some guy/girl wearing a feathered hat/harness on 4 different classes.