Note to Mages

[wish12oz]

I believe in the old 15 too. I've even personally kicked people from missions/quests/skillup/exp/etc for being to gimp. It just wasn't tolerated back in the day, if you wanted to accomplish anything anyway. People who couldnt bother to have proper eq/spells/temps/etc most likely could not be counted on to follow instructions, or be useful.

That said, I also refuse to buy r3 for my whm alt. I r1 myself cause my merits are capped, I could care less about saving more exp.

[Miera]

You booted people out of Skillup parties for being gimp? o.O

[wish12oz]

Ya, like pld/wars who refused to not tank and screamed they needed cures cause they were to gimp to not get their face beat in.

Honestly, for skillups, basically anyone who whined they needed others to assist them got the axe. Probably cause I played RDM and felt bad for the mages in the group trying to skill up, no one wants to cure/refresh/haste people, Mages wanted to skill up weapons and stuff. So anyone who wanted assistance and couldn't take care of them self got kicked.

[Randwolf]

A couple things have changed from that list. The biggie is everyone having Reraise, although, it is still expected in some situations. But, exp is so easy to get now, no one cares if they eat an R1. Thus why many of the RR2 items cost little more than the RR1 items, They used to cost 2 times as much or more. In the old days, many Dynamis shells would boot you from the zone if you didn't bring a form of RR. A wipe, with everyone having RR, was a 5 minute loss of time. If a lot of people didn't have RR, it meant you had to wait for all the weakened raisers' timers to reset if you didn't have a raise for everyone on the first round of raises. Of course, that was also before a small group could plow through Dynamis.

Also, in Abyssea, Atma>Gear. Of course, now you will see some people catch crap for not having at least 1 Atma.

Finally, too many violations of that list will still get you booted, although you probably couldn't get into, many end game shells.

[Khajit]

People don't catch crap for not having proper/decent atma only because we cant personally check what atma the other guy has on.

[Randwolf]

People don't catch crap for not having proper/decent atma only because we cant personally check what atma the other guy has on.

Depends what the Atma is. Pretty certain I can see when someone doesn't have the HP boost Atmas. And for the people who know the formulae for damage, they can fairly quickly tell if you don't have an Atma you claim you do for things involving melee/magic damage. Plus, some of the magic damage down Atma etc. Yeah, some things you can fake to a degree, but not all of them. And, while most things in Abyssea don't require a certain Atma, general overall gimpiness in Atma is easy to pick up because of the fact Atma makes you so overpowered.

[Miera]

Ya, like pld/wars who refused to not tank and screamed they needed cures cause they were to gimp to not get their face beat in.

Honestly, for skillups, basically anyone who whined they needed others to assist them got the axe. Probably cause I played RDM and felt bad for the mages in the group trying to skill up, no one wants to cure/refresh/haste people, Mages wanted to skill up weapons and stuff. So anyone who wanted assistance and couldn't take care of them self got kicked.

Ohh, okay that makes sense now.

[Lithera]

Another thing you know someone does not have or at least not active are refresh atmas I only have mm, have not completed ASA nor windy's mission line. I have a few friends and LS mates who don't have any refresh atmas so when they are actually inside with their Rdms or Blms/rdm they end up having to rest between NM pops or after a certain number of kills. You can kind of tell when someone doesn't have a good regain Atma on either. The only other thing I have run into and been guilty of my self is people not having ninja tools. I stopped having anything beyond shadows, invis, and sneak since I got my whm to 70. Ever since then it's been Lithera whm please, or me coming whm cause those who have it leveled either grumble about even being asked or are needed on another job. That and prices on Alexander for the non universal tools are fluxing so badly you could end up spending alot of dough just so you can proc something.

[Dale]

Please please please if you do not have ALL proc spells, please do not volunteer that job for a nm run. Take a few minutes to get all ur spells so ur pt doesnt hate u taking up a spot and not !! a nm cause u didnt bother to get Mind Blast. It makes baby chocos cry

This is just one of many things that are going to happen when you make it so easy to level up. If players don't need to take the time to upgrade their character to progress, a lot of them simply won't. It's human nature.

That's why I always supported a difficult leveling system that forces players to stay on par and adquately upgraded to reach the next level. Those days are long gone though.

You are gonig to see a lot of players who are level 90 with gimped combat and magic skills. Horrible gear. Missing spells. A lot of players are gonig to take the easy route straight to 90 and worry about upgrading and skilling up afterwards. It's the new norm so might as well get used to it.

[Thizzerio]

I believe in the old 15 too. I've even personally kicked people from missions/quests/skillup/exp/etc for being to gimp. It just wasn't tolerated back in the day, if you wanted to accomplish anything anyway. People who couldnt bother to have proper eq/spells/temps/etc most likely could not be counted on to follow instructions, or be useful.

I agree 100% i just recently had a BLM come to a orthrus, and think he would show up and roll aeth mantle w/o having proper spells, after failing to proc, because of him. Sure i said you could roll it, but thats before you made 1 stone drop on my friends KI because you are gimp.

QM mantle to ninja, stones to nin jewel FL claws FL = 1 pissed off BLM, but seriously the fact that i even let him stay in the group was like tossing some candy to a 9 yr old at your neighborhood lan center.