Down with Gear Swapping!

[Dale]

you dont need to have macros for everything you do, just the important stuff.

I don't know why people keep saying this. It's just not true.

I have played with people who gear swap like it's a compulsion. I would have had to create a macro for just about every ability i use to have prevent my target from being canceled. It depends on the extent the people you are with use the technique, and I think a lot of the people pretending this isn't a big deal and just useless whining have been lucky enough not to party with people who use it like a compulsive habit.

It's just irritating. I already have a zillion macros. I really don't have the room or the head to use a zillion more.

I gear swap a ton myself, but only with gear that doesn't cause the blink effect. Why? Because i know how annoying it is I don't want to drive other players nuts. Be nice if everyone else would afford the same courtesy.

I would only swap gear during a fight that causes the "blink" effect for rare actions you don't use very often - otherwise the annoyance you will cause others will far outweight the benefits gained IMHO.

This is a real problem and Square should get around to doing something about it that doesn't involve having to make 50 extra macros so I can spend more time flipping through rows of macros than I do actually enjoying the game. Perhaps they should simply add this <stal> command or w/e into the coding of the game so that the command is automatically used with all targeted spells and ablities. I don't know enough about programming to know if that's a realistic solution or not, but it is one idea.

And then there is the spam issue also, flooding my battle log with this annoying yellow message telling me something i already know. That needs to be fixed also, and is just as irritating as the "blink" crap. Gear-swapping during battle has just become too big a part of FF 11's accepted game play for it to be as clunky as it is today. It's time it got some refinements.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I don't know why people keep saying this. It's just not true.

I have played with people who gear swap like it's a compulsion. I would have had to create a macro for just about every ability i use to have prevent my target from being canceled. It depends on the extent the people you are with use the technique, and I think a lot of the people pretending this isn't a big deal and just useless whining have been lucky enough not to party with people who use it like a compulsive habit.

It's just irritating. I already have a zillion macros. I really don't have the room or the head to use a zillion more.

I gear swap a ton myself, but only with gear that doesn't cause the blink effect. Why? Because i know how annoying it is I don't want to drive other players nuts. Be nice if everyone else would afford the same courtesy.

I would only swap gear during a fight that causes the "blink" effect for rare actions you don't use very often - otherwise the annoyance you will cause others will far outweight the benefits gained IMHO.

This is a real problem and Square should get around to doing something about it that doesn't involve having to make 50 extra macros so I can spend more time flipping through rows of macros than I do actually enjoying the game.

And then there is the spam issue also, flooding my battle log with this annoying yellow message telling me something i already know. That needs to be fixed also, and is just as irritating as the "blink" crap. Gear-swapping during battle has just become too big a part of FF 11's accepted game play for it to be as clunky as it is today. It's time it got some refinements.

as DRG... I gear swap for WS (twice actually) for healing breath, for jumps, and for when I go in and out of battle (I have some of that dusk crap) and none of the mages in my LS ever complain or have a problem healing me.

as DNC it is even worse, I gear swap for everything I do. The only job that is one of my three mains that I dont geaerswap on is PUP, but that is only level 40 or so.

it is all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands.

[Dale]

as DRG... I gear swap for WS (twice actually) for healing breath, for jumps, and for when I go in and out of battle (I have some of that dusk crap) and none of the mages in my LS ever complain or have a problem healing me.

as DNC it is even worse, I gear swap for everything I do. The only job that is one of my three mains that I dont geaerswap on is PUP, but that is only level 40 or so.

it is all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands.

Just because they aren't complaining doesn't mean it's not driving them nuts

And it's not all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands. It is about a broken system that needs to be tweaked in a more appropriate way. It may not bother you having to create a macro for every single abilty you use that requires targeting, but a lot of us are going to think that's unreasonable.

They also need to get rid of the annoying yellow spam.

[Zyeriis]

Fact of the thread/OP: They want to REMOVE gear swapping. This is why this thread is a waste of space and needs to be deleted. Is there really an argument on this? I can see the argument about a change being made but, come on, this thread is not a solution, nor is it a change, they just want gear swapping removed so they can think they're as good as everyone else, this thread is part of the problem if you ask me.

[Dale]

Fact of the thread/OP: They want to REMOVE gear swapping. This is why this thread is a waste of space and needs to be deleted. Is there really an argument on this? I can see the argument about a change being made but, come on, this thread is not a solution, nor is it a change, they just want gear swapping removed so they can think they're as good as everyone else, this thread is part of the problem if you ask me.

Well like I said earlier, this is a big issue for me. So i'm going to seize onto any thread I can to repeatidly make my points on how the system needs to be fixed and why. It's really the main reason I came onto these forums to begin with be honest, and maybe if i fuss about it long enough SE will get tired of hearing my mouth and do something about it

So hopefully you are wrong and this thread will be part of the solution, not the problem.

But Zyeriis, if you hate the thread so much, just don't post in it anymore and ignore it. Issue solved. I don't see why it seems to bother you so much.

It's not something you are being forced to endure, unlike the horride equipment changing system on this game, which I have to deal with on a daily basis.

[Vyvian]

Most people would say stpt and stal were SE's "doing something about it".

I actually can understand why people don't want to use stal, but you can still work around it. Stop using <t> macros, even with <st> macros (which I use, gogo healing magic skillups on undead) or <stpc> macros (IE haste or protect outside of alliance) if you really get stuck, you target yourself and use the blue arrow to hit the blinker. With any sort of reasonable reaction time, you can catch them np.

[Dale]

Most people would say stpt and stal were SE's "doing something about it".

I actually can understand why people don't want to use stal, but you can still work around it. Stop using <t> macros, even with <st> macros (which I use, gogo healing magic skillups on undead) or <stpc> macros (IE haste or protect outside of alliance) if you really get stuck, you target yourself and use the blue arrow to hit the blinker. With any sort of reasonable reaction time, you can catch them np.

You are missing the point. It is having to use macros at all. If you are playing with someone who spams gear changes every few seconds it makes any manual action a pain in the ____ to do. That's just not acceptable, and any game-play element that compromises the entire default system of using spells and abilities needs to be adjusted.

But yes, adding <stal> was doing something i suppose, but wasn't enough IMHO, and I would ask for a more comprehensive appraoch to fixing it, not some half-___ work around.

There is also the issue of that annoying yellow spam that floods your battle log as well, which is equally an issue for me - though no one ever seems to mention that, which makes me suspect the motives of thsoe who are disagreeing with me and who keep praising the integrity of a flawed system. Let's be careful we don't argue just for the sake of argument and admit when there is a design flaw that needs to be fixed. Else what is the point of these forums.

[Zyeriis]

Well like I said earlier, this is a big issue for me. So i'm going to seize onto any thread I can to repeatidly make my points on how the system needs to be fixed and why. It's really the main reason I came onto these forums to begin with be honest, and maybe if i fuss about it long enough SE will get tired of hearing my mouth and do something about it

So hopefully you are wrong and this thread will be part of the solution, not the problem.

But Zyeriis, if you hate the thread so much, just don't post in it anymore and ignore it. Issue solved. I don't see why it seems to bother you so much.

It's not something you are being forced to endure, unlike the horride equipment changing system on this game, which I have to deal with on a daily basis.

I'm essentially telling you to make another thread for this very reason. One could view this as helpful. Even if what you are saying is plausibly constructive, the basis of the thread is not. It would be easier to get your idea accepted in a new thread that isn't as negatively viewed as this one, wouldn't it?

[Dale]

I'm essentially telling you to make another thread for this very reason. One could view this as helpful. Even if what you are saying is plausibly constructive, the basis of the thread is not. It would be easier to get your idea accepted in a new thread that isn't as negatively viewed as this one, wouldn't it?

Maybe, but I've already made several threads. Probably tomorrow i'll make another one, but I like to space them out so I'm not accused of spamming.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Just because they aren't complaining doesn't mean it's not driving them nuts

And it's not all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands. It is about a broken system that needs to be tweaked in a more appropriate way. It may not bother you having to create a macro for every single abilty you use that requires targeting, but a lot of us are going to think that's unreasonable.

They also need to get rid of the annoying yellow spam.

my LS is actually honest to each other, and they where the ones to teach me gear swapping in the first place.

again learn to use STPT and STAL on your most important spells, and there wont be a problem.

again you don't have to macro everything, just use STPT for the "life saving" stuff