Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
i have to disagree with this whole statement, If your telling people get get REM's before going to get delve its not something the casual player (which i am) to get in an moderate time, Even when my wife and a friend was doing dynamis in attempts to get a relic weapon we were only pulling 200+ currency a run, so we would have to do dynamis for over 2 months to make 1 weapon for 1 person, now what about the other 2 people? so 4 more months pass, now we have to do all the trials to make them around lvl 90. Same with empy weapons, have to farm pops, get drops do trials, even if we worked our butts off we still won't get a single one done as casual players for almost 1 month (if lucky)

I'm not saying to make the gear from delve non-rare/ex but something needs to be done to allow players a lowmanable way of fighting these even if you have to spend bayld to get displacers which are more effective then the voidwatch ones.

The player gap keeps expanding and if your not in a LS that does these fights on a daily basis (which only allows so many players cause only 18 can go) some will fall farther behind till the ability to catch up will be impossible.
Ok, I gotta defend Baby a bit here. it IS so easy to get a relic now-by SE standards, see it used to take a couple years, 1 million gil a run and you needed to recap your XP every few weeks, + if you were good about it you were buying quite a few consumables over and above the entrance fee.

Mythic-ok, that one still blows to get.

Empy-hate to say it but this one is on you. Baby can make that statement because she does run with a tight group (no, i'm not in it, I just see her around a bit). You do have to wait your turn, but you do get your stuff relatively quickly when your turn comes up. But you have to show up and do your job if you expect to get in such a group, it is a commitment to the rest of the group.

But you don't have to have r/m/e, unless you are bard or paladin. Have you been seeing all the whining threads? the reive weaps rival r/m/e for DPS and SE just cut the cost in half, you are only missing the weap skill from r/m/e and often it is your merited WS the group wants anyway. Get one. Skirmish only needs a party, and with the reive weaps they are quite doable (get the reive armor, too-all the DPS in the world means nothing when the time comes to survive a hit). Now, I agree there needs to be a decent low-man plasm farming option, presumably with lower yields, but still. After all, you can buy the delve stuff too, with the plasm and the KI. Now, if you only levelled a DD, that's a different story, there's a glut of DD out there because from the start of aby all strats have been ZERG only.