Buyable Gear Options

[Secondplanet]

Honestly i have to disagree.. the new content Rare/ex gear is so easy for even casual players to obtain.. got most of the delve gear in one weekend and R/E/M's can be done low man at your own pace now. much easier to obtain then ever before.

i have to disagree with this whole statement, If your telling people get get REM's before going to get delve its not something the casual player (which i am) to get in an moderate time, Even when my wife and a friend was doing dynamis in attempts to get a relic weapon we were only pulling 200+ currency a run, so we would have to do dynamis for over 2 months to make 1 weapon for 1 person, now what about the other 2 people? so 4 more months pass, now we have to do all the trials to make them around lvl 90. Same with empy weapons, have to farm pops, get drops do trials, even if we worked our butts off we still won't get a single one done as casual players for almost 1 month (if lucky)

I'm not saying to make the gear from delve non-rare/ex but something needs to be done to allow players a lowmanable way of fighting these even if you have to spend bayld to get displacers which are more effective then the voidwatch ones.

The player gap keeps expanding and if your not in a LS that does these fights on a daily basis (which only allows so many players cause only 18 can go) some will fall farther behind till the ability to catch up will be impossible.

[Glamdring]

i have to disagree with this whole statement, If your telling people get get REM's before going to get delve its not something the casual player (which i am) to get in an moderate time, Even when my wife and a friend was doing dynamis in attempts to get a relic weapon we were only pulling 200+ currency a run, so we would have to do dynamis for over 2 months to make 1 weapon for 1 person, now what about the other 2 people? so 4 more months pass, now we have to do all the trials to make them around lvl 90. Same with empy weapons, have to farm pops, get drops do trials, even if we worked our butts off we still won't get a single one done as casual players for almost 1 month (if lucky)

I'm not saying to make the gear from delve non-rare/ex but something needs to be done to allow players a lowmanable way of fighting these even if you have to spend bayld to get displacers which are more effective then the voidwatch ones.

The player gap keeps expanding and if your not in a LS that does these fights on a daily basis (which only allows so many players cause only 18 can go) some will fall farther behind till the ability to catch up will be impossible.

Ok, I gotta defend Baby a bit here. it IS so easy to get a relic now-by SE standards, see it used to take a couple years, 1 million gil a run and you needed to recap your XP every few weeks, + if you were good about it you were buying quite a few consumables over and above the entrance fee.

Mythic-ok, that one still blows to get.

Empy-hate to say it but this one is on you. Baby can make that statement because she does run with a tight group (no, i'm not in it, I just see her around a bit). You do have to wait your turn, but you do get your stuff relatively quickly when your turn comes up. But you have to show up and do your job if you expect to get in such a group, it is a commitment to the rest of the group.

But you don't have to have r/m/e, unless you are bard or paladin. Have you been seeing all the whining threads? the reive weaps rival r/m/e for DPS and SE just cut the cost in half, you are only missing the weap skill from r/m/e and often it is your merited WS the group wants anyway. Get one. Skirmish only needs a party, and with the reive weaps they are quite doable (get the reive armor, too-all the DPS in the world means nothing when the time comes to survive a hit). Now, I agree there needs to be a decent low-man plasm farming option, presumably with lower yields, but still. After all, you can buy the delve stuff too, with the plasm and the KI. Now, if you only levelled a DD, that's a different story, there's a glut of DD out there because from the start of aby all strats have been ZERG only.

[FrankReynolds]

Empy-hate to say it but this one is on you. Baby can make that statement because she does run with a tight group (no, i'm not in it, I just see her around a bit). You do have to wait your turn, but you do get your stuff relatively quickly when your turn comes up. But you have to show up and do your job if you expect to get in such a group, it is a commitment to the rest of the group.

That sounds more like a serious relationship or a full time job than casual to me. Do I have to buy them flowers and tell them they are pretty even when they have something stuck in their teeth and hold their hair when they are sick too?

But you don't have to have r/m/e, unless you are bard or paladin. Have you been seeing all the whining threads? the reive weaps rival r/m/e for DPS and SE just cut the cost in half, you are only missing the weap skill from r/m/e and often it is your merited WS the group wants anyway.

That's neat. I have yet to see a Linkshell or PUG looking for people with Rieve weapons. Can you point me to one on Cerberus?

Get one. Skirmish only needs a party, and with the reive weaps they are quite doable (get the reive armor, too-all the DPS in the world means nothing when the time comes to survive a hit).

I haven't seen a linkshell or pick up accepting players with these either.

[Myo]

Sorry to dig up my own dead post, but just wanted to note that after playing for a week or 2 after the last update. The addition of Voay Sword (level 106) to the Auction House Greatsword list, even though it's 50+ DMG less then it's delve counterpart, is still a blessing to any player unable to afford the 20M (level 117) Nagan. If they could even make a version of weapons with this type of damage boost to every weapon category, and manage to keep it's price under 2M, it would be a step in the right direction.

[Zumi]

If you don't like leaders requiring delve gear to do delve you can always make your own group and take whoever you want.

[Daemon]

Sounds like this would solve your problem..
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/JP_Button

Can I have one on a subligar?

[FrankReynolds]

Let them eat cake...

Way to miss the point.

[Babekeke]

That's neat. I have yet to see a Linkshell or PUG looking for people with Rieve weapons. Can you point me to one on Cerberus?
I haven't seen a linkshell or pick up accepting players with these either.

I guess that they're simply uninformed.

Spharai 99 Stats: D+52, delay 86, Att +40.

Ninza Stats that I saw on an average player: D+60, delay 51. Might have had some STR/DEX on it, but I'm not certain.

Highest augment on BGwiki shows an extra 4 Dmg than that as well with a +1 stone, and with a +2 it's likely higher still.

Stones are now saleable on the AH.


So, just because you've never seen anyone shouting for them, and just because you're not aware of anyone accepting people with them, doesn't mean that if you pitched up and said, "Hey my weapon's base stats are better than rme, mind if I join even though it's not a delve weapon?", that they're tell you to get lost.

Sure there's no hidden effect, or aftermath, but it's still not laughable by any means.

[FrankReynolds]

I guess that they're simply uninformed.

Spharai 99 Stats: D+52, delay 86, Att +40.

Ninza Stats that I saw on an average player: D+60, delay 51. Might have had some STR/DEX on it, but I'm not certain.

Highest augment on BGwiki shows an extra 4 Dmg than that as well with a +1 stone, and with a +2 it's likely higher still.

Stones are now saleable on the AH.


So, just because you've never seen anyone shouting for them, and just because you're not aware of anyone accepting people with them, doesn't mean that if you pitched up and said, "Hey my weapon's base stats are better than rme, mind if I join even though it's not a delve weapon?", that they're tell you to get lost.

Sure there's no hidden effect, or aftermath, but it's still not laughable by any means.

Rigors are DMG+ 101, ACC +15 in their base form... Ninzas are literally half as good on their best day.

[Umichi]

Rigors are DMG+ 101, ACC +15 in their base form... Ninzas are literally half as good on their best day.

and still require a delve boss kill not a wildskeepers kill to even aquire

in all honesty skirm weapons are fantastic to fill the gap between wildskeepers and delve but i think SE jumped the gun by making skirmish kinda tough to acess from the get-go so players who could benifit from these were not able to.