Reasons Why FFXI is Declining

[Demon6324236]

So in 5 years we can go though all the same BS again. Thanx but no thanx I learned from the first time. Have when SE starts diverting resources from 14 for their new MMO since you are rewarding the very thing that people are here complaining about.

So since they made 1 MMO, and are now making a second, you think they are going to do the exact same things with it? Also, this game has been around 11 years, not 5, if they do the same thing in a decade then fine, but ya know what, at least I will enjoy that decade probably, and when the time comes, Ill be complaining just like I do for FFXI, but at least I enjoyed the 11 years up to that point. Sorry but I refuse to think that FFXI must be a permanent example of how Square Enix will always do MMOs, for all we know FFXIV might not be stuck like FFXI, they might actually take it off PS3 when the console is to far behind to support it, that way it can continue to move forward. They could do it very differently than FFXI has been done, but if you give them no chance, you will only rob yourself of the potential experience. Now if this was their third or fourth, and it was a continued tradition for how they handled the games, then yes, I would understand, but since that's not the case, I completely disagree with how you see things.

[OmnysValefor]

[...] Sorry but I refuse to think that FFXI must be a permanent example of how Square Enix will always do MMOs [...]

I don't know Demon, if you know the gas station next to Wal Mart puts water in their gas, and the owner starts another station on the other end of town, do you expect different from that one.

It's a valid concern and something I've thought about to. FFxIV players might find out that devs are right on top of their concerns as long as the japanese players have the same concerns. 14's advertising so far hasn't been amazing. In as little as a year, you might never see TV ads for it and abysmal web advertising. There's no real reason to expect different especially since it's the same company and several of the same minds. Some minds high-enough-profile that we know them by name, or could, and others lower in the ranks. Many of XIV's caretakers are from XI.

It's a valid concern that they may spend years guiding endgame at a time when none of their developers actually play endgame or understand it. That's pretty common among most MMOs though.

[Demon6324236]

I don't know Demon, if you know the gas station next to Wal Mart puts water in their gas, and the owner starts another station on the other end of town, do you expect different from that one.

Large difference. Your talking about an 11 year old game with a dwindling player base, next to no new players coming in, more people leaving every month, and being tied to an old out of date console, on top of the fact if they wanted to update this game it would take a lot of money to get it up to todays standards I'm sure. Its not opening up another game the exact same as their previous, FFXIV is different from FFXI in many ways, I doubt they will treat it the same, they already seem to be taking in feedback well from what I hear, which to me sounds good. If they start going badly with it in 5~10 years, at least I enjoyed it while it was good. I wouldn't go off a single experience with a format of game they had no experience with when it was made, time has passed, I think they will do better with FFXIV. Honestly, I doubt SE ever saw this game going on for 11 years in the first place, perhaps they will plan ahead for FFXIV better than they did for FFXI which seems to restrict our updates today with massive limitations of the past. I mean I know in a decade the game will probably have some limitations, but again, they knew not what to expect I'm sure, this time they will probably leave things a little more open to change for later.

It's a valid concern and something I've thought about to. FFxIV players might find out that devs are right on top of their concerns as long as the japanese players have the same concerns. 14's advertising so far hasn't been amazing. In as little as a year, you might never see TV ads for it and abysmal web advertising. There's no real reason to expect different especially since it's the same company and several of the same minds. Some minds high-enough-profile that we know them by name, or could, and others lower in the ranks. Many of XIV's caretakers are from XI.

I know, but it does seem like they can do better this time around. I don't know, I could be an ignorant fool for thinking so, but I understand the MMO market isn't something so easily jumped into and done well, especially when FFXI was made back when MMOs were fairly small by compare to today and they probably never expected it to come this far. I also know SE and advertising do not go together, I don't expect a FFXIV commercial with Mr.T in it, or anything of the sort, but I also do not expect it to flop and be horrible. Commercials are a problem of SE's failure to communicate with communities outside of Japan in general though, a problem with the company, not just FFXI or FF MMOs, or SE MMOs, but a problem with the company in general. So in the end, its another thing I hope they overcome, but that one I am more doubtful about.

[FrankReynolds]

So since they made 1 MMO, and are now making a second, you think they are going to do the exact same things with it? Also, this game has been around 11 years, not 5, if they do the same thing in a decade then fine, but ya know what, at least I will enjoy that decade probably, and when the time comes, Ill be complaining just like I do for FFXI, but at least I enjoyed the 11 years up to that point. Sorry but I refuse to think that FFXI must be a permanent example of how Square Enix will always do MMOs, for all we know FFXIV might not be stuck like FFXI, they might actually take it off PS3 when the console is to far behind to support it, that way it can continue to move forward. They could do it very differently than FFXI has been done, but if you give them no chance, you will only rob yourself of the potential experience. Now if this was their third or fourth, and it was a continued tradition for how they handled the games, then yes, I would understand, but since that's not the case, I completely disagree with how you see things.

You might have made a point, if they had stopped doing it here and then said "come to FFXIV, we won't do it there either...".

But they didn't. They continuously crap this game up and ignore the players. There is no reason to believe that they won't do it there either.

[Demon6324236]

You might have made a point, if they had stopped doing it here and then said "come to FFXIV, we won't do it there either...".

But they didn't. They continuously crap this game up and ignore the players. There is no reason to believe that they won't do it there either.

Same company but different teams, this is an old game with a crumbling player base & its not getting any younger/better with time, so I understand how they can continue to mess up this game, but I do expect them to make FFXIV good enough to be this games successor and in the end be a good game itself.

[FrankReynolds]

Same company but different teams, this is an old game with a crumbling player base & its not getting any younger/better with time, so I understand how they can continue to mess up this game, but I do expect them to make FFXIV good enough to be this games successor and in the end be a good game itself.

This game is crumbling as a direct result of their decisions. They chose to cut the budget. They chose to ignore the player base. For whatever reason they just decided that they would rather build a new game than keep the old one. There is a strong likelihood that they will make that decision again. I expect it to happen even faster next time.