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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    For what its worth Skill up Foods were originally believed to work for certain level ranges, But it now shows they work in values.

    From Weakest To Strongest its

    x1.2
    x1.4
    x1.6
    x1.8

    Skill up Values, with Maringna/B.E.W Being the most potent in Melee/magic respectively, and Saltena/Stuffed Pitaru being the weakest.

    http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Skill_Up_Food
    Yeah I corrected the info in the Guide already. For what it's worth. I don't hate anyone. Including Slaxx, and several others who had debates and arguments with me. The point of debating is to learn from each other. I enjoy learning other people's point of view. Yeah I can be stubborn. We all do it when we believe in something from a personal standpoint.

    You can put a glass of water on the table but not everyone will look at it from the same angle, same time, same place... Demon Justin and me argue on many topics and debate with each other endlessly. We don't hate each other.

    After our debates, we get together and play some WOE and chat about other stuff in game. Opinion is just an opinion from someone else's point of view as how they see it and not you. Because we know this, we can debate passionately about the game and never let it change our friendship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Exactly what does the arguement between Slaxx and me have anything to do with you?

    I don't even know you and you are judging me.
    I don't quite get your confusion in this matter. I'm ringing in my opinion as a bystander. I'm not judging you, I'm just letting you know, from a bystanders point of view, If you're trying to help people... continually sh*tting all over yourself as if its hurting the person you're arguing against isn't the correct method for it. You should simply state your opinion, and if someone disagrees, regardless of how head-in-a** they are, You should never stoop to that level or fly off the handle. Not saying the person you're currently arguing with is fitting this description, I'm simply saying even under adverse pressure and prejudice you should attempt to always maintain your dignity.

    Your response to me alone is more than accurately portraying the issue I was trying to address. Instead of understanding what i say, You took it as some attack on your character or some kind of violent insult to you and your moms family... and it wasn't. I'm trying to address that, and the whole "Posting 7-8 Consecutive 1-sentence/half sentence posts because you're angry the guy said to take your time with posts", which I think was simply uncalled for, for what the topic was about.

    Anyway, As i stated in my first post, I can see some of the logic in your arguments, I'm just trying to tell you because maybe you don't see it, but how you react to any sort of criticism isn't lending your to credibility and your entire help post could become empty and unused simply because its credited from an unreliable source due to how you act.

    I personally think the guide will really help new players, but your attitude could ruin that and Thats all I'm trying to avoid happening to you. I've seen many a good player who actually have good ideas and good arguments sh*t on into obscurity and "Quack" territory because of how they respond to criticism or how they word their arguments.

    Don't let it happen to you is all, You'd be surprised how quickly ones reputation and credibility can be lost and how pain staking it will ever be to earn it back, that sh*t will follow you from MMO to MMO, forum to forum if you let it get bad enough.. I've seen it happen. I know people who are avoided by folk who've never even been to a forum simply because their reputation is so bad it follows them in game and off. I know its cool to act like you don't care but I'm telling you you do not want this to happen, because I know all you want to do is help new players with most of your posts.

    Do you understand now? I do not dislike you nor do i judge you unsound, I'm simply saying that I do not want to see you crash and burn like I've seen so many others when I can tell you have the best of intentions.

    You can put a glass of water on the table but not everyone will look at it from the same angle, same time, same place... Demon Justin and me argue on many topics and debate with each other endlessly. We don't hate each other.

    After our debates, we get together and play some WOE and chat about other stuff in game. Opinion is just an opinion from someone else's point of view as how they see it and not you. Because we know this, we can debate passionately about the game and never let it change our friendship.
    Thanks for the explanation, Hopefully you'll read this post a bit more carefully and fully understand what I'm trying to convey. I think you have a good solid bit of ideas and your guides are quite handy for many a new folk, I just don't want to see your credibility destroyed because of a few bad posts... and I'm telling you it can happen in the blink of an eye and everything you'd have worked for will crumble like a house of cards hit by a fireball.

    Edit: Also always give me a few minutes to edit. I proof read a thousand times but always end up editing the "mean" out of my posts. A lot.
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    Last edited by Karbuncle; 07-13-2013 at 05:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    I don't quite get your confusion in this matter. I'm ringing in my opinion as a bystander. I'm not judging you, I'm just letting you know, from a bystanders point of view, If you're trying to help people... continually sh*tting all over yourself as if its hurting the person you're arguing against isn't the correct method for it. You should simply state your opinion, and if someone disagrees, regardless of how head-in-a** they are, You should never stoop to that level or fly off the handle. Not saying the person you're currently arguing with is fitting this description, I'm simply saying even under adverse pressure and prejudice you should attempt to always maintain your dignity.

    Your response to me alone is more than accurately portraying the issue I was trying to address. Instead of understanding what i say, You took it as some attack on your character or some kind of violent insult to you and your moms family... and it wasn't. I'm trying to address that, and the whole "Posting 7-8 Consecutive 1-sentence/half sentence posts because you're angry the guy said to take your time with posts", which I think was simply uncalled for, for what the topic was about.

    Anyway, As i stated in my first post, I can see some of the logic in your arguments, I'm just trying to tell you because maybe you don't see it, but how you react to any sort of criticism isn't lending your to credibility and your entire help post could become empty and unused simply because its credited from an unreliable source due to how you act.

    I personally think the guide will really help new players, but your attitude could ruin that and Thats all I'm trying to avoid happening to you. I've seen many a good player who actually have good ideas and good arguments sh*t on into obscurity and "Quack" territory because of how they respond to criticism or how they word their arguments.

    Don't let it happen to you is all, You'd be surprised how quickly ones reputation and credibility can be lost and how pain staking it will ever be to earn it back, that sh*t will follow you from MMO to MMO, forum to forum if you let it get bad enough.. I've seen it happen. I know people who are avoided by folk who've never even been to a forum simply because their reputation is so bad it follows them in game and off. I know its cool to act like you don't care but I'm telling you you do not want this to happen, because I know all you want to do is help new players with most of your posts.

    Do you understand now? I do not dislike you nor do i judge you unsound, I'm simply saying that I do not want to see you crash and burn like I've seen so many others when I can tell you have the best of intentions.



    Thanks for the explanation, Hopefully you'll read this post a bit more carefully and fully understand what I'm trying to convey. I think you have a good solid bit of ideas and your guides are quite handy for many a new folk, I just don't want to see your credibility destroyed because of a few bad posts... and I'm telling you it can happen in the blink of an eye and everything you'd have worked for will crumble like a house of cards hit by a fireball.
    First and foremost, forgive me if I took your post the wrong way. I'm use to encountering people who like to spend all day debating, arguing over 1 simple comment I made that was meant to be an opinion and not a front page headline on its way to becoming a whole novel series leading us to take the main topic way off point.

    2nd, my intentions on the forums is to help people. I'm tired of seeing so many players in game depressed, disappointed, lost, and have barely any hope to do anything because they simply don't know what to do, how to get help.

    I'm tired of seeing players ask for help only to be turned away by those that say "you can solo it youself"

    If anything, I came here to be part of the forums, write out a guide to shed some light on the many topics that people know and have forgotten. Or know in real life but didn't know how to apply everyday knowledge in game.

    One of the bad things about reading rather than talking in person is that words on paper can be misunderstood. I've learned that some people who meant good wrote down words that people can take as sarcasm.

    Sometimes when I see people respond to my post negative then yes I get heated. I admit that. Example like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kylos View Post
    This is just bad ... it's posts like these that make SE ignore our opinions.
    I'm not here to tell people you are flat wrong, stop being you because my way is better.


    Be yourself and no one else because you as an individual is one of a kind.

    I try to encourage those who say they "can't" and try to show them they "can" because I really want to meet others in game that can do stuff together. Yet it's so rare to find people to do things with because many of those I've seen in game are busy trying to work on their character.

    What made me come to the forums? One day I was camping Gargantua. And a ninja was roaming around. So I asked if I could join. I though he was doing the same trial as me. Find out he was popping T3 VNM. So I followed him around and offered to help him pop it with my Ki.

    He said "Why you wanna help me bro?"

    And I said "Because I want too."

    And this was his reply..

    "Oh... Usually nobody wants to help"

    And this is why I came here to write out my guide for people and tell others on the server to read it.

    I've just been caught up in so many debates that its been hard to write it. I'm no writer, so I spend so much time in game testing things out, trying to figure out ways to explain it on paper the correct way that yes I fell in the habit of going back and re-editing to add more detail than a simple "Go to Jeuno. Do the quest. Solo it youself."

    My point is. I never came here to fight and argue with people. I came here to learn from others while at the same time offer help. When i share an opinion, i never intend to spend all day explaining myself but many arguments lead to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    Edit: Also always give me a few minutes to edit. I proof read a thousand times but always end up editing the "mean" out of my posts. A lot.
    Believe me I know exactly how you feel. I do the same but some people think for the worse and think I'm changing my post to counter their points of proving me wrong.

    Seriously I would never do that. I think it's lame. It's not very mature. If I make a mistake, ill admit I made it. If I have to apologize. Ill do it. I don't need need to make myself look right by cheating. Truth will always set you free. Yet some people still don't get that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almantia View Post
    You two get a room ^^
    Does it come with cookies? D:
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    Part of the reason why I am probably not going to be playing after my last month runs out is basically. I do not have a LS to do delve bosses with. This offers a level of equipment far beyond anything else in the game. Not being able to do high end content due to lack of hardcore linkshells left in the game is a big minus to me. If I can't be the best and do endgame content then I am just not going to play.

    I been pretty hardcore with the game but not having a LS that does bosses is a big minus for me. SE doesn't really do anything to help players find linkshells. There is no official recruitment forums, there is no in game guild finder like other mmos have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    Part of the reason why I am probably not going to be playing after my last month runs out is basically. I do not have a LS to do delve bosses with. This offers a level of equipment far beyond anything else in the game. Not being able to do high end content due to lack of hardcore linkshells left in the game is a big minus to me. If I can't be the best and do endgame content then I am just not going to play.

    I been pretty hardcore with the game but not having a LS that does bosses is a big minus for me. SE doesn't really do anything to help players find linkshells. There is no official recruitment forums, there is no in game guild finder like other mmos have.
    I told you to message me in game about it though. I'm sure I can ask a few people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    I told you to message me in game about it though. I'm sure I can ask a few people.
    I mean doing stuff like Tojil, Dakuwaqa, and Muyingwa. I did join a couple pick up Tojil runs and they didn't go well at all.
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