Invitation to Plasm Farming

[Demon6324236]

Ok here is a challenge for both Karah and Tomoa. I know you believe highly that Hvelgamir is worthless. But Seriously play some WoE and use it, Try it out because im sure you will be placed in situations where you run out of Temp items and MP. Even Convert will be downtime.

Carry a stack of Icarus Wings. I know there is 120 time limit but ignore that limitation for a second and just try it then maybe you will see why i fought so hard as to why this is not worthless.

I think near the start of it, or at least parts I read, they seemed to say that if you used Wings it was good to have as a swap in tool, but just to idle in its never a good or viable option, especially given the extra time it takes to earn one vs earning an Owleyes. The staff has its uses, that's for sure, the only problem is how restricted they are, any content like Delve its not a good idea, but in VW or WoE, its by no means a bad option.

[Daemon]

I think near the start of it, or at least parts I read, they seemed to say that if you used Wings it was good to have as a swap in tool, but just to idle in its never a good or viable option, especially given the extra time it takes to earn one vs earning an Owleyes. The staff has its uses, that's for sure, the only problem is how restricted they are, any content like Delve its not a good idea, but in VW or WoE, its by no means a bad option.

It could be useful in Delve also remember that using Myrkr, you do not need to engage enemy from close range . You can engage from as far as you like and use the WS as long as you are engaged in battle with weapon out. Therefore during T5 bosses it can benefit anyone.

[Demon6324236]

It could be useful in Delve also remember that using Myrkr, you do not need to engage enemy from close range . You can engage from as far as you like and use the WS as long as you are engaged in battle with weapon out. Therefore during T5 bosses it can benefit anyone.

But it doesn't, there is literally no explainable reason why this is better to do than to simply idle with an Owleyes, even if your MP is capped you can use the SCH JSE Club to make Sublimation cap faster, and if that is already capped, and your MP is capped, then yes, I guess it is a viable option, but if that's the case your not expending enough MP for it to matter anyways apparently. So all in all, what you are saying makes no statistical sense, even if you have hands on experience which says otherwise, mathematically it makes no sense man. Unless you can tell me something that I do not know or understand which changes this outcome?

[Daemon]

But it doesn't, there is literally no explainable reason why this is better to do than to simply idle with an Owleyes, even if your MP is capped you can use the SCH JSE Club to make Sublimation cap faster, and if that is already capped, and your MP is capped, then yes, I guess it is a viable option, but if that's the case your not expending enough MP for it to matter anyways apparently. So all in all, what you are saying makes no statistical sense, even if you have hands on experience which says otherwise, mathematically it makes no sense man. Unless you can tell me something that I do not know or understand which changes this outcome?

Death Scenario @ Any event, where SCH just died, has no mp, convert on countdown, helpless without any Vile elixer or other MP recovery items, just got up after being raised.

Ok now take your option and combine my option together, without owl eyes, you could still use other MP idle refresh gear + Adloquium while equipping Hvelgamir... (use AND have Sublimation on countdown) By the time you unweaken, not only will you have sublimation filled (assuming half the amount when weakened status), your TP should be high enough to use Myrkr, add on Icarus Wing and then you can gain a higher amount of MP back because of the extra boost in TP plus what you gained from Adloquium during the duration of waiting out weakness status just by engaging mob from far away and using WS Myrkr quickly.

What do you gain by sacrificing owl eyes? Well you elimate the risk of 10% damage taken from being hit in case boss goes awol, and you are trading 1 tick refresh for what could possibly give you 900-1k MP back.. How long does 1 tick refresh take to restore that much MP compared to 300% TP?

Does not Scholar earring enhance Sublimation? The tricky part about Sublimation is when you are weakened though. Meaning if you did it wrong you could gain as low as 8 MP back which is a disappointing failure in a tight situation as fighting T5 bosses. Especially when you are tight on time and need to do your utmost best to help your team.

And if you did have convert up, atleast this is an option to allow you to save Convert for later on in the battle. The point is you have an extra option worth getting.,

Do know Myrkr is decently fast. I know in some parties when I was tired, I use to make an excuse and say there is a delay.. (sorry if you were there when I said it =p but us mages has to have some white lie excuses to why we let you die. Seriously??? I was joking... ok Im not but i didnt let anyone die unless if was a bard who did not have -PDT gear pulling way too much on their plate to handle, in that case i did let you die on purpose...)

You could hit disengage during the time you are using Myrkr and the graphics go off, and after fountain of green goo spills over, quickly your character will disengage the same speed as if you engaged and disengaged normally.

Engage > Use Myrkr > Disengage > Done

In WoE I equip MAB Staff, When I get a dusty wing, I equip Hvelgamir, Pop Dusty Wing, Engage battle from far away, Use Myrkr, then Disengage and switch over to MAB staff again. Quick Simple and effectively worth it.

If you still don't understand what Im talking about I can show you in game in Abby or WoE.

PS. Bard comment i made about letting someone die on purpose, there is a good reason for that strategically. Why would i try to save someone who is doomed to die if I will gain hate and put my entire team at risk? Does not make sense to waste time trying if you know its an absolute outcome where you could end up dying yourself, wasting MP and wasting the entire alliance time. Where as 1 person dies, lose hate and mobs either retreat or disappear therefore you are only wasting MP to raise that 1 person.

[Daemon]

I think near the start of it, or at least parts I read, they seemed to say that if you used Wings it was good to have as a swap in tool, but just to idle in its never a good or viable option, especially given the extra time it takes to earn one vs earning an Owleyes. The staff has its uses, that's for sure, the only problem is how restricted they are, any content like Delve its not a good idea, but in VW or WoE, its by no means a bad option.

Wouldnt Owl Eyes be dangerous?

Owleyes
(Club) All Races
DMG: 22 Delay: 217 Damage taken +10%
Adds "Refresh" effect
Lv. 80 WHM / BLM / SMN / SCH / GEO

Damage Per Second: 6.08
TP Per Hit: 5.8%

I know refresh is nice but need to becareful suggesting an item like this as +10% damage taken is a very reasonable risk to be aware of.

Personally I would never equip this in delve unless I was far away from battle where resting is a viable option.

[Daemon]

One of the things i use to do was test out atmas and spells from WHM,BRD,Geo,Cor etc...

One example i tried using Earth resist, Magic defense bonus and INT atma and went to mikey with absolutely no gear on. Then i observed the damage and casted shell and barstone...

Another time I went as bard and instead i only used Earth Carol I & II, and Barstone with Shell.. Damage was reduced noticiably high.

Now here is why i pointed this out to you, I may not know numbers and statistics because i hate math, but I do know what works from experiance. I do tests like these. Ive fought Mikey so many times on so many jobs to see if I could solo it with any job. So far Ive been able to solo it on RUN,BRD (took godly forever),WHM,,BLM,RDM,BST.....

So this is how i came to writing my guide in the first place so I can be sure I didnt make any errors with my words. I might make some errors... I mean... I am human right? But I do try my best to be accurate as possible and double check, ask others opinion, before I make it official.

[Daemon]

And yes I may repeat myself sometimes because I'm answering each reply accordingly. That way others reading won't get confused.

[Daemon]

One detail DJ. I can see Hvelgamir only being used in delve as a quick last resort for MP. Nice trick that can make a difference. If you gain 100% TP from Icarus Wing, you can gain 200+ mp back. I mean MP you didn't have. That's enough to raise 1 person or Accession + Regen V your entire group. Stoneskin? And if you Penury you can cast both Protect and Shell V on your team. I know 200 MP doesn't sound a lot but hey, that's the trick of knowing how to make use of every job ability the job comes with such as Penury.

Again if you died and got back up. Cast Adloquium so your TP is raising. By the time you unweaken that plus Icarus wing can make a difference. I said before You could gain 900-1k mp back if TP is at 300%.

Switch over to Cure Potency 50% Rapture /Accession and what you? A massive Curaga that the other Scholar in party could not provide after death because they did not have the option you had. Although I would never suggest this at weakened status as enmity could divert boss on to you and kill you. Therefore wasting another mages 150MP to raise you again. Best to wait for you to unweaken first before you decide this is a good option otherwise if you desperately need to in the wake of saving your team by risking your life, make sure to put stoneskin and blink up first.

You need to have every possible option that can help you no matter how small it is if you want to be better against T5 Bosses and beyond. It is why some players have not succeeded yet.

This is why I understood when the Devs said you may need to go back and work on your gear if you did not succeed.

[Demon6324236]

You need to have every possible option that can help you no matter how small it is if you want to be better against T5 Bosses and beyond. It is why some players have not succeeded yet.

This is why I understood when the Devs said you may need to go back and work on your gear if you did not succeed.

To an extent I agree, however, at the same time the gear you are talking about seems to be gear of which is not as useful as you seem to try making it sound man.

[Daemon]

PS. If you feel like REM is worthless, you can donate all your Unbral Marrow, Riftcinder, Heavy Metal Plates, Alexandrites and all other trial goodies at P.O. box Phoenix Ultimas Room#1337 Port Jeuno.

I wouldn't mind making a Yagrush...