Wake up, "Seekers" is failing

[Yinnyth]

My major beef with the game is that everything is such a chore that once you've jumped through the hoop you are loathe to do it again for others. This is the cause of why no one tries to make runs regularly to help newer players, that and with the flux of players unwilling to learn, etc. w/e excuse to undermine players with less time and devotion on their hands, and thus you have a large majority of players who are in limbo. Sure they could climb SE's gear ladder, but the satisfaction for getting gear that takes lots of time to obtain tend to demoralize those who aren't fervent about the game when its easily dismissed and ridiculed when trying to reach the next tier of content.

I'm curious... pretend for a second you're completely abyssea-level on your gear. Full AF3+2, no empy weapon, but some level 99 magian weapons at your disposal. Would you rather:

1. have a group of 17 people who already have full delve boss gear roflstomp everything in delve for you so you get full delve gear as well, but are incapable of providing any help at all until you attain said gear.

2. find a group of people in the same boat as you and work together to more slowly upgrade gear (first skirmish, then start some delve runs and NM kills with a few pickup members to fill the gaps).


If you prefer number 1, perhaps I should consider convincing my friends to go back and help other players once we finally start managing boss kills reliably.

[Alerith]

I'm curious... pretend for a second you're completely abyssea-level on your gear. Full AF3+2, no empy weapon, but some level 99 magian weapons at your disposal. Would you rather:

1. have a group of 17 people who already have full delve boss gear roflstomp everything in delve for you so you get full delve gear as well, but are incapable of providing any help at all until you attain said gear.

2. find a group of people in the same boat as you and work together to more slowly upgrade gear (first skirmish, then start some delve runs and NM kills with a few pickup members to fill the gaps).


If you prefer number 1, perhaps I should consider convincing my friends to go back and help other players once we finally start managing boss kills reliably.

The answer is certainly up to the individual, but I would be willing to bet my last Gil that a majority of people, if not under scrutinizing eyes who would judge them instantly, would pick option number one.

[Rekin]

I'm curious... pretend for a second you're completely abyssea-level on your gear. Full AF3+2, no empy weapon, but some level 99 magian weapons at your disposal. Would you rather:

1. have a group of 17 people who already have full delve boss gear roflstomp everything in delve for you so you get full delve gear as well, but are incapable of providing any help at all until you attain said gear.

2. find a group of people in the same boat as you and work together to more slowly upgrade gear (first skirmish, then start some delve runs and NM kills with a few pickup members to fill the gaps).


If you prefer number 1, perhaps I should consider convincing my friends to go back and help other players once we finally start managing boss kills reliably.

Is this a real question? I'll answer that with another. If you and your ls have ample time on your hands and have come across a reasonably geared individual with a high level of knowledge of the game and its mechanics yet lack the means to get to your level, would you assist this individual if it meant going through frustrating to boring at best fights? How about if you don't have your ls on hand and its just you and that guy?

[Riggs]

there is no way se is about to introduce delve type equipment on to the ah, they made this super gear to force people in to buying an expansion that was about 15% complete, if they allowed it on the ah then many people would not have bought it

[detlef]

It feels like I'm yelling at a brick. Do people really miss the point this much?

The point is, if RMED weapons become common enough, they are the new status quo. If they are so common that Delve PT leaders can afford to be picky about who they invite, then your beef about them being "unique tools" that "provide extra punch" is no longer valid.

[Radd]

The point is, if RMED weapons become common enough, they are the new status quo. If they are so common that Delve PT leaders can afford to be picky about who they invite, then your beef about them being "unique tools" that "provide extra punch" is no longer valid.

So again, it comes back to what I posted the first time. They become a requirement, and are a long tedious grind to get just to play the game normally. Good. Now that player will just stop wasting his time and move on to something else while the community stagnates in it's own circle jerk and SE loses another customer.

They aren't supposed to be common, there are only so many these days because people have been playing this game non stop for years. Are you telling me that a person without one should play for years just to even have the chance to catch up to today's content, which will be outdated by the time they catch up and they have to do it some more? Do you get it now?

[Radd]

there is no way se is about to introduce delve type equipment on to the ah, they made this super gear to force people in to buying an expansion that was about 15% complete, if they allowed it on the ah then many people would not have bought it

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Senbaak_Nagan Example. Only way to get this gear is to get some of the items off the delve nms. This is AHable, but guess what? You won't see these for a long time. Oh, people are bazaaring these for around 50 mil on average. Good luck!

It was a swindle on SE's part, but hey. It worked.

[detlef]

So again, it comes back to what I posted the first time. They become a requirement, and are a long tedious grind to get just to play the game normally. Good. Now that player will just stop wasting his time and move on to something else while the community stagnates in it's own circle jerk and SE loses another customer.

They aren't supposed to be common, there are only so many these days because people have been playing this game non stop for years. Are you telling me that a person without one should play for years just to even have the chance to catch up to today's content, which will be outdated by the time they catch up and they have to do it some more? Do you get it now?

They are probably not supposed to be common, but you were around for Abyssea, Dynamis revamp, and Salvage revamp right? SE has introduced content that centered around building these weapons. And now a lot of people have them. You can argue about whether PT standards all you want, but the fact remains that enough people have RMED weapons that you can fill your Plasm farming DD spots with a single shout. I have not argued that it's right, but that's how it is right now.

Also, you don't have to play for years. You need an NM kill and 30k plasm and you're caught up, weapon-wise. You may not get in as a DD while you're first farming plasm, but that's because there are so many other players who are better geared than you. If you have a problem leveling and playing a support job in order to gear your DD job then this may not be the game for you.

[Asymptotic]

My entire linkshell is having a blast going after Delve bosses.

[PeaceWalker]

This is what they wanted all along, right? To get people out of XI and into XIV.
Too bad they're so out of touch that they don't realize that XI players don't want XIV.
Good job, SE.