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Flawed logic on most those REM leader posts. Having REM doesn't make anyone a good player or leader. Being a good leader has nothing to do with having a REM. Being a good player also has nothing to do with having REM. I've seen plenty of bad players with REM. Obtaining a REM doesn't automatically make you a good player.

Bad players can get all the REM in the world and still be bad players. In the end REM =/= leader/good player.

One thing most people don't seem to get with SE is they say a lot of things, but follow through with very little of them. Till you see SE do something I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[Demon6324236]

Flawed logic on most those REM leader posts. Having REM doesn't make anyone a good player or leader. Being a good leader has nothing to do with having a REM. Being a good player also has nothing to do with having REM. I've seen plenty of bad players with REM. Obtaining a REM doesn't automatically make you a good player.

No one said only people with RME weapons can be leaders, or only people with RME weapons are good. Also no one said having one makes you either of those by default.

Bad players can get all the REM in the world and still be bad players. In the end REM =/= leader/good player.

This is correct. See, here is where people are coming from, ok? If you have the ability to lead, chances are you put forth the work and organization to make yourself a RME weapon at some point, and thus, have one. If you are a good leader, you probably have many, as you could effectively do so, and end up with more in less time, meaning you have more motivation to make them in the first place. Lastly, there are obviously a few people with the ability to lead who had no desire for RME weapons, but the amount of people who could make a group and lead them to making these weapons, but choose not to, is likely low. After all, why would someone be willing to make a group for random content when they are unwilling to make a group for one of the best weapons in the game?

No one said that only RME weapon wielders are fit to lead or good players, it is just highly common for leaders to have them, and so, by not updating these weapons, they are potentially driving leaders away, and thus, less groups will be around...

One thing most people don't seem to get with SE is they say a lot of things, but follow through with very little of them. Till you see SE do something I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I think most people if not everyone gets this, the problem is, if you think like that and do not lie to yourself you would end up losing all hope for this game and leave most likely. I, lie to myself all the time, telling myself that RDM will be updated, put on some real melee gear sometime, that RME will be fixed so the Excalibur that took 6 months to make will not go to waste, and that the game will become much more enjoyable for me sometime. These are all lies in reality, I honestly expect none of this to happen, or at least not soon enough for me to care anymore, but at the same time, it is those fleeting hopes that keep me playing with those I care about who are on this game, so I lie to myself.

[Nebo]

Flawed logic on most those REM leader posts. Having REM doesn't make anyone a good player or leader. Being a good leader has nothing to do with having a REM. Being a good player also has nothing to do with having REM. I've seen plenty of bad players with REM. Obtaining a REM doesn't automatically make you a good player.

I didn't say any of that. What I said was that good leaders, people with knowledge, confidence and skill to form groups and lead people with success, tend to be R/M/E holders.

They generally have the means, knowledge and motivation to acquire them...since they are (were?) the best weapons in the game.

I agree that it is incorrect to say that R/M/E causes skill+leadership+motivation. But I would be comfortable in saying that skill+leadership+motivation causes R/M/E more often than not (most of these types strive for the best).

And this leadership problem is not only for shout groups, but also for established linkshells. Many times, when leadership leaves, shells fall apart..more people have nothing to do with friends they've been playing with for years...causing more players to unsubscribe.

No, not all leaders currently have R/M/Es. But if the ones that do have R/M/E leave due to anger or burnout or "what's the point", after this new philosophy of "release gear and out-date it a month later," FFXI will be MUCH worse off.

These are the people that pave the way and post all the battle strategies you read about. These are the people that care about this game and spreading information and strategy. These are the people that organize and motivate people to accomplish larger goals.

Losing them will do nothing but hurt Vana'diel, and killing R/M/E will have a negative effect on the economy for everyone.