Item Levels

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Did you read my post?

Let's see...

For the time being, put the pause button on development work for:

• Mog Gardens
• Monstrosity
• Item level Exp /check update
• Cutesy seasonal events.

• Everyone with Seekers of Adoulin
• Everyone
• Everyone with Seekers of Adoulin
• Everyone

And divert all available power to forward thrusters:

• Job adjustments, balancing, making good on old promises.
• Lowman Content Updates
• R/E/M updates

• Maybe 5-7 jobs
• 15%, maybe 20% of players
• 5%, maybe 10% of players

And I'm being generous here. So... yeah, I read you post.

[FrankReynolds]

Let's see...

• Mog Gardens - No one is all that excited about
• Monstrosity - People are mildly interested but would gladly wait until more important things are fixed
• Item level Exp /check update - No one wants at all
• Cutesy seasonal events - Seriously? Seriously? You think these are what's important? Really?

• Job adjustments, balancing, making good on old promises.- This benefits all players on all jobs. Not 5-7. Literally everyone.
• Lowman Content Updates - Again, this is for the benefit of everyone. Literally everyone.
• 5%, maybe 10% of players - This is the only part you got right and guess who that 5%-10% are? The people who run all your 18 person events.

Here, I edited your lists for accuracy's sake.

[Nebo]

Oh, I see. You read it, you just don't understand the greater significance of some of these things.

No worries. I'll explain.

Mog Gardens will allow you some new scenery to HELM in private and farm mostly useless things. Cute...maybe even fun...but mostly irrelevant. It is not something that will keep FFXI players online, playing and interested in the more core aspects of the game...like say...job adjustments would do.

Monstrosity is also a cute gimmick. Again, it may even be fun. But it's not something that should come before fixing some of the core game play mechanics that encompass almost all other content. It's not going to keep people playing and logged in like some more significant fixes would.

Item level exp checks are pointless for everyone post-level 99. If you can't see that..I'm not sure what I could say to make you understand.

Cutsey seasonal events - same thing. Fluff...cute...but not more important than fixing core elements that are making significant portions of the game hard to play for a lot of people.

Job adjustments and balancing effect everyone. They will make more people log on to play jobs they care about. This means less burnout from spamming events on jobs they don't like, more groups being formed...it's better for everyone.

Lowman content updates are for everyone else that cannot or has not gotten to the delve level yet. I don't know from which dark smelly crevice you are pulling this 15-20% of players number from?

Your opinion on R/E/M updates is very short sighted. R/E/M holders are the people organizing events and making the shouts you respond to. If they leave...you're screwed. This game has the WORST grouping mechanism of any MMO I've ever seen. We need them to lead and form groups.

That's just one aspect. The other thing you need to consider is the economy. Dynamis Currency, Alexandrite, Heavy Metal plates is a viable source of extra income for many solo and casual players. It also fuels almost all other markets. You take away R/E/M....and many parts of our economy fall apart.

R/E/M updates will effect us all. The people that actually equip the weapons are the tip of a very large iceberg. For better or worse, whichever way they decide to go. Every single player on every server will be effected.

The larger picture here is that the game is hemorrhaging subscriptions at the moment. Mog Gardens, Monstrosity, Pointless Item level checks and cute seasonal events are not going to keep them...and certainly won't bring them back.

It also just so happens that the new FFXIV is coming out in August and for the most part, people are singing its (and Yoshi-P's) praises for LISTENING to the players and fixing a great number of mistakes from both FFXI and FFXIV.

Unless you think having no one to play with doesn't effect you? Or your access to goods and services within the economy? Or your ability to join pick-up groups and participate in content?

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

Here, I edited your lists for accuracy's sake.

Someone is interested.

Oh, I see. You read it, you just don't understand the greater significance of some of these things.

No worries. I'll explain.

R/E/M updates will effect us all. The people that actually equip the weapons are the tip of a very large iceberg. For better or worse, whichever way they decide to go. Every single player on every server will be effected.

Now for you.

In a game that is losing its "Fun" and people are growing bored with the lack of variety, you're saying they should focus....less...on fun? Sounds fairly logical.

I have both a Kannagi and an Ochain. Ochain is useful, and will continue to be useful. Kannagi was just so I could look all flashy using Blade: Hi.

I don't know about your server, but R/E/M people on mine are nothing special. They don't lead the pack. They don't form all the events.

I'm not speaking ill of those who have put in the time on these weapons, but just because they have them, doesn't mean the entire endgame gameplay revolves solely around these select few.

Given the low droprate of Heavy metal plates, and the lack of circulation, I fail to see how this would be considered a viable source of income.

Also, why would R/E/M holders organize an event such as Delve? Hmm....for....Delve equipment perhaps?

I'm very sorry you spent time making a R/E/M and that SE decided to remove you from your shining horse you used to ride on as you rode through town looking down on the peasants who were not as grand as you, but I just can't understand...SE killed your horse...Why must you continue to beat a dead horse?

[Nebo]

In a game that is losing its "Fun" and people are growing bored with the lack of variety, you're saying they should focus....less...on fun? Sounds fairly logical.

Actually what I am saying is the exact opposite of that.

I'm saying that focusing priority on making the rest of the game more fun, and for a wider variety of jobs/players, is the best way to improve FFXI in the short term and retain more subscriptions.

I don't think any of the cute and gimmicky things being disputed here will achieve that. Perhaps you disagree, but this is my opinion.

And I'm not saying these things should not be done at all, or that adding fun things like this to the game doesn't have its place, or even that these things don't have value.. I'm saying they should prioritize fixing more important things first, and build on these later.

Why must you continue to beat a dead horse?

She ain't dead just yet. And Matsui just released an apology type post yesterday where he said they were prioritizing content creation for R/E/M revamps....in a post that also emphasized wanting more feedback from us on these things.

[FrankReynolds]

Someone is interested.

"No one" is a term commonly used in the English language to describe an insignificant number of people. If English is not your first language then perhaps you should be posting in the forums of your native tongue so as to avoid any further confusion and to ensure that your ideas are properly interpreted.

Now for you.

In a game that is losing its "Fun" and people are growing bored with the lack of variety, you're saying they should focus....less...on fun? Sounds fairly logical.

If this were Disney land, all the rides would be broken and you would be worrying about adding another "Win a gold fish" by tossing a ping pong ball in a cup games instead of fixing the rides.

I have both a Kannagi and an Ochain. Ochain is useful, and will continue to be useful. Kannagi was just so I could look all flashy using Blade: Hi.

I don't know about your server, but R/E/M people on mine are nothing special. They don't lead the pack. They don't form all the events.

Somehow I find it hard to believe that all the events on your server are led by people wielding magian / AH weapons. Come up with a better story and get back to us.

I'm not speaking ill of those who have put in the time on these weapons, but just because they have them, doesn't mean the entire endgame gameplay revolves solely around these select few.

Given the low droprate of Heavy metal plates, and the lack of circulation, I fail to see how this would be considered a viable source of income.

He explained it pretty clearly.

Also, why would R/E/M holders organize an event such as Delve? Hmm....for....Delve equipment perhaps?

You do realize that people can want two things at once right? See how RME have all existed side by side for years? If you add the letter D to the end like this "RMED", the world will not implode.

I'm very sorry you spent time making a R/E/M and that SE decided to remove you from your shining horse you used to ride on as you rode through town looking down on the peasants who were not as grand as you, but I just can't understand...SE killed your horse...Why must you continue to beat a dead horse?

It's called CPR

[Demon6324236]

I don't know about your server, but R/E/M people on mine are nothing special. They don't lead the pack. They don't form all the events.

Your server is different than mine by far then, of all of the people I see shout and lead parties I know of only 1 person who has no RME, the rest of them have one, and a few of not been around much since the collapse of the weapons. As a friend of mine pointed out yesterday, the game was dead, no shouts, no one really doing anything in our LS, just lifelessness, and today I still see almost no shouts going, there is a single group doing Delve right now that shouted, nothing more.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Cute...maybe even fun...but mostly irrelevant.

Ah, because fun is irrelevant.

Lowman content updates are for everyone else that cannot or has not gotten to the delve level yet.

Around here, "lowman conent" tends to be nothing more than a euphemism for Salvage and maybe Nyzul. I wasn't aware that "everyone" had to go through those.

Your opinion on R/E/M updates is very short sighted. R/E/M holders are the people organizing events and making the shouts you respond to.

Hell, I've personally had /yell filtered pretty much since Adoulin came out; the spam gets in the way of the dialog I'm trying to read. But I do remember what they looked like before I hit that switch: RME holders were looking for... other RME holders, which sounds rather circular.

And I am aware of your flowery opinion of such "leaders," but it seems there are other opinions. After all, when the entire goal of these self-appointed leaders is "get stuff for myself," there's not a lot of motivation for these folks to make things fun or enjoyable for those they boss around.

The only reason people join such groups is in the hopes of getting the castoffs that are left over after the top tier gets their first pick (e.g. relic armor rather than currency). Lacking the interest and/or patience to pursue RME's myself, I've for years loathed the mechanic that forced me to associate with the self-interested and self-important if I wanted to go beyond a certain point. So... yeah: I'm not crying over the potential departure of my "betters." Power to the proletariat!

That's just one aspect. The other thing you need to consider is the economy. Dynamis Currency, Alexandrite, Heavy Metal plates is a viable source of extra income for many solo and casual players. It also fuels almost all other markets.

What "other markets?" Players sell one to buy the other. Crafting and other such fundamental wealth-creation overall have problems wholly unrelated to anything you've touched upon, but Seekers of Adoulin seems poised to make fundamental changes there.

The larger picture here is that the game is hemorrhaging subscriptions at the moment.

[citation needed]

[Nebo]

Ah, because fun is irrelevant.

Yes. That is exactly what I said.

Finally....someone gets it.