Item Levels

[FrankReynolds]

Wooosh, don't think they're hearing us.

Recall:
The XBone (massive DRM that that both made online mandtory. It also restrcted media),
Windows 8 (System wide changes that people had issues with and abandon what people knew)
Coke (they changed the flavor and abandon the old.)

All these things caused fans to rage and each product had a 180 degree turn around because of them. Unfortunately, the teams on FFXI don't seem to be listening. The hardcore fans of the game who burn through content are the only ones with an actual future.

The item level systems are just BOGUS. They've already ruined the game for many players by splitting the user base by massive margins. Now anyone who doesn't play every single day and has competive high level gear to keep up is getting left out of the game. It's literally to late now the game direction is broken and it seems they don't plan on going back where everyone could gain levels easily without the grind.

Sooooooooo.....

Even though I agree with a lot o the complainers and friends who are quitting everything that people hate. I think it's going wooooosh right past the development teams. They've already lost millions in poor design. After all FFXIV is getting reborn because it sucked costing them a big loss. It will also eventually have new content that ruins what worked in the past just like this game when they stopped listening and split the user base into peons that can do nothing but quit and elitist who have what it takes to stay in the front of the gear RAT race adapting to new content soon after t's added.

The development continues to go the wrong direction. Some people are apologist about it because they can manage to adapt to the new content direction while others are canceling or on the fence about it.

It's no wonder SE has been bleeding fans and cash this gen. Woooosh in FFXI.

Yeah, I don't get this whole "FFXI sucks and the dev's don't listen! Let's all go play FFXIV now!" attitude. As if it weren't the same people making the new game...

Remember when Ford Pintos used to explode any time they had a little fender bender due to the faulty rear fuel tank? Nobody thought it was a good idea to take the insurance money they got from their burnt up friends / family / car and go buy the new model Ford Pinto. WTF is wrong with people these days?

[Zhronne]

As if it weren't the same people making the new game...

Technically it's not the same people D:
As much as many (all?) of the old/original FFXI are now employed into FFXIV.
Matsui himself was into FFXI, then moved into FFXIV and only recently came back into FFXI after Tanaka's departure.
But things in these games are more often than not decided by a small bunch of people, usually one and his stricter cooperators, who decide the "direction" the game goes and organize the work of all the other employee who just do what they're told.

In this sense, FFXIV is the game of Yoshi-P, whereas FFXI atm is Matsui's game. (or whomever pulls the strings behind him, if he's not the one)

[Demon6324236]

Yeah, I don't get this whole "FFXI sucks and the dev's don't listen! Let's all go play FFXIV now!" attitude. As if it weren't the same people making the new game...

Remember when Ford Pintos used to explode any time they had a little fender bender due to the faulty rear fuel tank? Nobody thought it was a good idea to take the insurance money they got from their burnt up friends / family / car and go buy the new model Ford Pinto. WTF is wrong with people these days?

Simple, that game looks good, is new, and looks like they are putting resources into it right now. This game looks like shit, is old, and it feels like they are only providing the bare minimum of services to keep us paying. On top of these things, FFXIV fucked up, they took it down, and it looks like they fixed it, FFXI is fucking up royally right now, and they are having a hard time figuring out why and correcting the issue because it seems to be going right over their heads, and rather than focus on real problems, they want to give us things like Item Levels and such. Also, FFXIV is made by a different team, the leader of which is the same person who gave us Abyssea, an add-on which many loved and many hated, those who loved it get extra incentive on why to get FFXIV, we liked his work before. On top of everything else, they seem to be more willing to listen and they are providing info, where as the FFXI team has always treated everything like it was imperative it be kept secret until the players found out on their own, as well as the fact their team has the man power to keep their word when they say they will release content, rather than taking years for the simplest of things.

Your saying its the same as buying the same thing from the same company after they mess it up. Its not though, this was not made by the same team, it was not made with the same ideas in mind, and it was not made in the same generation. FFXIV shows a lot of promise for players, more than this game has, it looks like they are trying to improve on some of the things FFXI had problems with not only in game, but out of game too. Part of which is for instance, the information, getting an official source for information about the game sounds great to me. I love what this community has done, but the problem is that we should not have had such a large reliance on wiki sites or forums, so much so that I have even literally been told by GMs that rather than fix my issue, or help, if it is not a bug in a quest they will provide no instruction or guidance, and I must go through a community site. That, is an improvement in service I think. The game shows many differences from gameplay to the team, direction, how things work, story, and so on, but in the end I think the game is different even if it is from Square Enix, and I think it will be great to buy. To me, comparing FFXI to FFXIV is like comparing FFX to Kingdom Hearts, they are developed by the same company, but different teams, different design aspects, and different features, even if made by the same company, under the same kind of genre.

[Tamoa]

Your saying its the same as buying the same thing from the same company after they mess it up. Its not though, this was not made by the same team, it was not made with the same ideas in mind, and it was not made in the same generation.

It isn't the same product, but it's still the same brand name. And in my case I have lost faith in the brand because of what's been done to FFXI, to the point where I don't trust them not to mess up with 14 aswell.

[Nebo]

Yeah, I don't get this whole "FFXI sucks and the dev's don't listen! Let's all go play FFXIV now!" attitude. As if it weren't the same people making the new game...

Aside from the fact that Square Enix pays their salaries, it is a completely different team making FFXIV.

And as a gamer, designer, producer, director I have a MASSIVE amount of respect for Yoshi-P. Just go watch one of his interviews, it doesn't take long to see that he really understands where SE had been failing in the MMO maret. Mistakes both with FFXI and FFXIV.

He has made a massive amount of effort to listen to and communicate with the playerbase and I think he has made a great game as a result.

If the FFXI dev team had even 1/10 of that communication philosphy, FFXI would be a much better game. Instead we get one way communication: Translations of decisions that have already been made-by devs that clearly have a lesser understanding of what the game needs.

It is BECAUSE they don't listen and ask for feedback enough that FFXI will fail. Not because it's not an amazing game that still holds a lot of potential.